[fvc-wat-disc] Monsef no electoral reform.

[Sharon Sommerville]

The Conservatives are confident that put to a national vote with numerous
variables: low voter turn out, framing of the question, a conservative
media & the natural bias in a referendum to support the status quo, that
the no vote would win.  Not much risk and a great deal of political
traction for the "democratic" position.

Sharon

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:21 AM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Conservatives don't support PR. But they acknowledge what is plainly
> in audio transcripts - that most people who testified before the committee
> spoke for PR.
>
> So...they alternative to FPTP in a referendum they say should be PR, not
> AV.
>
> We already had 4 referendums with that idea so they're not giving us
> anything here by acknowlelging that.
>
> They could pretend to be officially neutral during a referendum which is
> somewhat of a joke when their MPs and media will be doing the anti-PR
> talking.
>
> Anita
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Listening carefully to this interview ...
>>
>>  Evan cornered Monsef on
>>
>> 1. all the committee members except Liberals (wow Cons?) say they have
>> heard that the people want PR ... so what if the committee recommends PR?
>> ... she will take it seriously ... but said she knows what she heard,
>> implying that she has heard differently ... which we all dispute
>> 2. what if the committee recommends a referendum ... she doesn't like
>> referenda because not enough people participate and they are divisive ...
>> (I don't want a referendum but for different reasons (voter apathy re
>> educating themselves first))
>> 3. if you don't listen to the committee and don't have a referendum how
>> will you determine the broad consensus that you seek? ... she mentioned the
>> mail-out question and called it a 'digital' ask ... I guess that means we
>> respond online.
>>
>> In summary ... we aren't getting it, no matter what the indications are.
>>
>> In the back of my mind, I still have the idea that the Liberal machine
>> wants to enjoy a couple of majorities and THEN we might get it when it
>> looks like power is fading ... Even if they were to get a surprise
>> minority, they could always count on NDP and Green support for PR. I would
>> rather have that than get a non-PR solution now.
>>
>> But I just can't fathom Conservative support for PR ... can you? ... they
>> will never ever get another majority ... I just don't believe it.
>>
>> On 27 November 2016 at 21:39, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Sean, she will not accept any responsibility for the LPC
>>> campaign promise. Her interview with Don Martin wasn't so definitive & a
>>> little more hopeful.
>>>
>>> Broad support?  How about leadership?  Never a mention of the nature,
>>> role & responsibilities of leadership.  We didn't elect the LPC to
>>> reflect what Cdns. think about ER, we elected them to lead on this
>>> issue.  It is what they promised to do and they should be held accountable
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, haberlin at gmail.com <haberlin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/no-electoral-reform-until-eno
>>>> ugh-canadians-want-it-monsef-says-1.3177209
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So no reform this time around.  However, media outlets have begun
>>>> casting PR in a favorable light, the Tories have shown support for PR and
>>>> in the next election there is the opportunity to point to the perfidious
>>>> nature of Liberal promises as a launching point for PR.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cordially
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sean B. Haberlin
>>>>
>>>> 91 Park St. Waterloo ON N2L 1Y2
>>>>
>>>> Ph: 519.576.9195 Cell: 519.591.9195
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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