[fvc-wat-disc] Leadnow

[Anita Nickerson]

No, I don't agree with that.

Leadnow is one of our allies in the Every Voter Counts Alliance. We've
worked with them since shortly after they started in 2011. I connected with
them way back then, when they were just starting, and back then they gave
their time to help FVC. They've grown to a very large organization since
then.

They're not a Liberal front. There are more on the left than anything in
Leadnow.

I'm just saying they look at the big picture, the ability to influence many
progressive issues long term, and long term building of their organization.
They can't afford to turn into the Broadbent Insitute over one issue.

Anita


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:20 PM, John Cooper <johnco at golden.net> wrote:

> Leadnow is Liberal ‘front’ organization, not a ‘democratic’ institution
> organization
>
>
>
> O'Leary will not be the Conservative leader. He's too radical and ‘shoots
> his mouth off ’.
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>
>
> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Anita Nickerson
> *Sent:* February-03-17 6:51 PM
> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor Needed
>
>
>
> Because their main issue is not PR. They're a long term organization who
> have many issues.
>
> Before the election I tried very hard to get them to incorporate a
> candidate's position on PR into their decision whether to endorse or not.
>
> They chose to endorse the only Liberal candidate in Canada who outright
> told us he's support PR never. And others who didn't support PR.
>
> I understand the only goal then was to get rid of Harper.
>
> But I cannot see Leadnow organizing 3 years ahead of an election to have
> people sign a pledge saying they'll only vote NDP or Green. Even those on
> the Vote Better segment of their list.
>
> What if it looks like O'Leary's going to come up the middle? You think we
> won't be "voting together" even reluctantly again in some way? You think
> they want to burn their bridges now with the governing MPs (and alienate
> their Liberal supporters) by basically saying they're an NDP/Green front
> based on one issue, when there are SO many other issues they need to be
> able to influence the Liberal government on over the next three years.
>
>
>
> I don't see any org running this kind of campaign 3 years ahead of an
> election. I think it would have to be grassroots.
>
>
>
> But ask your contacts in Leadnow - you're not the only one with that idea.
>
>
>
> Anita
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why do you think that Leadnow will not support having people sign the I
> won't vote etc. pledge?
>
> Jon
>
> On 2/3/2017 5:31 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:
>
> What would be most effective is two things:
>
>
>
> a) having as many people sign an "I will not vote for you again because
> you broke your electoral reform promise" pledge as signed the vote together
> pledge
>
> b) media at his office embarrassing him with that as I outlined below, so
> more and more people find out about it
>
>
> These kinds of partisan activities probably cannot be done by FVC is the
> problem, Leadnow is not going to do it, and without the mailing lists to do
> it, it is difficult. But not impossible.
>
>
>
> Anita
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know this is not positive but the Liberals need to own this.
> The only world that is positive all the time is the one inhabited by Mary
> Poppins.   Since I don't live in that world I'm fine with it.
>
> I remember Raj coming to a little gathering in a pub for the Leadnow types
> who had helped him get elected.  He was late but he had clearly made a
> largish effort to get there and was very grateful for the Leadnow crew's
> efforts on his behalf.   That lasted about a week.
>
> I think we should stop playing nice with these turds.  I think we should
> just visit Bardish and Bryan and Marwan and Raj and deal the cards straight
> off the top of the deck.  OK Mr/Ms. MP, you don't want to play with us
> anymore after we got you elected to implement PR?  No problem, we're not
> going to get mad, we're going get even by organizing like crazy and handing
> you your ass in 19 (Kiss the pension goodbye!)  Now go and tell *that* to
> Prime Minister Pretty Boy.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
>
>
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