[fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor Needed

Fri Feb 3 23:21:40 EST 2017

I agree, Don, except they've lied on so many fronts on this file. But sure,
yes, betrayal.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Breaking a promise, technically, is not a lie so long as one tells the
> truth that one is breaking the promise ... betrayal or a synonym is better.
>
> On 3 February 2017 at 22:59, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recognize LIES is shorter and likely doable, but if it is possible, I
>> do like betrayal better.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should choose the one that makes them look the worst.  With
>>> that criterion BETRAYAL seems to be the winner.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2017 10:45 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:
>>>
>>> Which do you like better for the hat?
>>>
>>> REAL LIES or REAL BETRAYAL
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> We are going to have to do a lot of writing in the coming weeks.
>>>> Please remember that you don't have to write the letters, another person
>>>> can write if you can submit or you can write a letter and have someone else
>>>> submit it.  We need writers and submitters.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to Donald for an excellent response to Ms. Smith's article.  We
>>>> need one more.  Can someone volunteer to write and or submit a response to
>>>> Ms. Smith's article?  It would need to be submitted by Sunday evening
>>>>
>>>> We need a supportive letter for Luisa's article.  Is there someone who
>>>> can write/submit it.  This one should be easy. Again, it should be in by
>>>> Sunday pm.
>>>>
>>>> We need at least two responses to today's editorial.  One should be
>>>> from FVC-WR which I can draft and send round to our bd. members so we need
>>>> one more.  Any takers?  Again, you can write but not submit or offer to
>>>> submit but not write.
>>>>
>>>> A march to Raj's office from KCH would be doable.  Someone could book
>>>> an appointment with him (underhanded yes, but the gloves are off) and we
>>>> could arrive with the toque which has been modified to read: REAL LIES or
>>>> REAL BETRAYAL (that's still the plan, isn't it?).  I have a pair of Liberal
>>>> socks which I no longer need.  Gummie rats (sealed in plastic about 3oz.)
>>>> can be purchased on line.  I was thinking of sending one of the pair to
>>>> Trudeau filled with gummie rats, be happy to make up another one to give to
>>>> Raj.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the rats:
>>>> https://www.jellybelly.com/gummi-pet-rat/p/5148
>>>>
>>>> Personally not in favour of the coffin as it has been used to death (!)
>>>> for all kinds of causes but lots of signs, and a media alert and
>>>> facebooking etc. Plus it would be fun.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to start up a "I will not vote for you again" petition at all our
>>>> upcoming events, give a focus to our summer festival tables.
>>>>
>>>> And, my home will be open for a meeting this Monday at 7 pm for anyone
>>>> who wants to come to plan the next few months.
>>>>
>>>> Onward!
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:34 PM, arthurd23 arthurd23 <arthurd23 at bell.net
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lots of letters to the editor in The Star and Globe.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was also a consensus with almost all of them castigating Trudeau.
>>>>>
>>>>> One opposing view - The Record editorial. Surprise!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have some letters being sent to The Record?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave A
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>>> From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: February 3, 2017 at 12:15 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll pick the negative one ... just love a scrap ... so here's my
>>>>> response
>>>>>
>>>>> ======================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Editor,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: The political fallout of breaking a promise by Joanna
>>>>> Smith_Feb3_2017
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms Smith asks, “But what of the majority of Canadians? Do they care?
>>>>> Does it matter?” in reference to Electoral Reform (ER).
>>>>>
>>>>> It matters. In our system of First Past the Post (FPTP), votes cast
>>>>> for a Green candidate, for example, who loses are useless. The
>>>>> Planet-caring, environmentally conscious, politically aware voters in the
>>>>> particular riding have no say in Ottawa. A certain percentage of all
>>>>> Canadians want Green objectives to be part of the laws of Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> It matters because these environmentalists should have their say in
>>>>> the structure of government. In a proportional system, for instance, every
>>>>> vote counts to obtain the same percentage of seats for a party as the party
>>>>> received in the national vote count.
>>>>>
>>>>> It matters because they may not vote in the next election, knowing
>>>>> that their votes won’t count.
>>>>>
>>>>> I matters because, due to discouragement, they may cease to engage in
>>>>> the political discussion and the environment will suffer for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later Smith states, “Then there is a much larger group that knows
>>>>> little and cares less about ER” in reference to the Canadian electorate at
>>>>> large.
>>>>>
>>>>> “... knows little and cares less ... “ is simply cause and effect.
>>>>> Unfortunately, it is difficult to excite the electorate about ER
>>>>> possibilities when they “know little”. Attempts to educate the public about
>>>>> ER are generally regarded as “election activity” which annoys citizens
>>>>> between elections. To be fair there is a small percentage which does
>>>>> respond with enthusiasm.
>>>>>
>>>>> New Zealand (NZ) solved the problem by having a trial run at Mixed
>>>>> Member PR (MMPR) for four terms. The electorate was educated by experience
>>>>> and when consulted after the trial, voted for MMPR over the former FPTP
>>>>> system. Their experience demonstrates that an educated public will choose a
>>>>> proportional alternative to our antiquated and unfair FPTP which wastes the
>>>>> votes of any citizen whose local candidate did not win in their riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Germany has practiced MMPR since WW2. The resulting stable form of
>>>>> coalition government has allowed Germans to become the master long term
>>>>> planners we recognize them for. They avoid the 'Policy Pendulum' in which
>>>>> false majority governments cancel, at great expense to the taxpayer, the
>>>>> projects of the preceding government. Rather each new government improves
>>>>> and supports policies of the previous government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours Truly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Donald A Fraser,
>>>>>
>>>>> 184 Forsyth Drive,
>>>>>
>>>>> Waterloo, Ontario,
>>>>>
>>>>> N2L-1A2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 519-576-9210 <%28519%29%20576-9210>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 February 2017 at 23:02, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Two great articles in today's Record for us to respond to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www. therecord.com/news- story/7100196-the-political-
>>>>> fallout-of-breaking-a-promise/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www. therecord.com/ opinion-story/7098054-d- amato-
>>>>> broken-promise-may-haunt- liberals/
>>>>>
>>>>> We should capitalize on these articles with letters to the editor. A
>>>>> couple of letters in response to each letter would be wonderful. Any number
>>>>> would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have sent the request out to our larger discussion list as some new
>>>>> names would be helpful!
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you can take either of these on.
>>>>>
>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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