[fvc-wat-disc] number of wasted votes

Thu Feb 9 21:57:45 EST 2017

Eleanor, this might be it, attached.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reply to Jon B:
>
> There 's a list like the one I sent, that Fair Vote quotes often. I need
> to know where it's found.
>
> Eleanor
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>    1. Re: Number of wasted votes 2015? (Jon Bathmaker)
>    2. Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform (Les Kadar)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:36:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Number of wasted votes 2015?
>
> Finding the number of effective votes is simple but a lot of work.
>
> Elections Canada has the data here:  http://elections.ca/res/rep/of
> f/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html
>
> Find the # of votes cast for the second place finisher in each riding +1
> and  sum them all up.   That's the number of votes that actually elected
> the MPs i.e. Effective Votes.
>
> Total Votes = Effective Votes + Wasted Votes
>
> In Waterloo Region for example there were 59,849 votes cast, the second
> place guy got 19,318 so it took 19,319 votes to elect the winner.   The
> other 40,530 votes had no effect on the outcome and were thus not
> effective  votes.   Do this another 329 times and you have the data for the
> effective votes.   The eligible voters and votes cast should be on the web
> somewhere.
> Best,
> Jon Bathmaker
>
> On 2/9/2017 5:21 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
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> Hey Fair Voters,
>
> I am looking for the list of figures from 2015 election saying something
> like:
> Pop of Cda - 35 mil
> Eligible voters - 23 mil
> Votes cast - 16 mil
> Effective votes - 7 mil
> Wasted votes - 9 mil
> I guesstimated these.
>
> Where can I find this info with correct numbers?
>
> Eleanor
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> From: Les Kadar <leskadar at rogers.com>
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> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:57:08 -0500
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform
> Sharron had asked if I receive a response from Bryan May on my
> condemnation of the Liberal decision.
> Please see the platform patented response below.
> I don't buy it.
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> Les Kadar
> iPad email
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* <Bryan.May at parl.gc.ca>
> *Date:* February 9, 2017 at 3:20:02 PM EST
> *To:* <leskadar at rogers.com>
> *Subject:* *RE: Govt abandons vote reform*
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> Dear Les,
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> Thank you for your email regarding the Prime Minister’s decision to not
> change our current voting system.
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> As you are aware, the government has been consulting with Canadians over
> the course of the last year on how to approach electoral reform. Using town
> halls, an online survey, and the Electoral Reform (ERRE) committee, our
> current system was reviewed, and options for moving forward have been
> carefully considered. In Cambridge, MP May received hundreds of emails and
> phone calls from constituents over the last year, and he was pleased to
> host a town hall meeting in Kitchener with other regional MPs on this topic.
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> MP May has written commentary about this decision and posted it on our
> website <http://bryanmaymp.ca/>. I’ve taken the liberty of including
> these comments below.
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> If you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to reach
> out to me. If you would be interested in speaking with MP May to discuss
> this personally, please let me know and I would be happy to set up a call.
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> Thank you for your email,
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> *Dakota Burgin | *Member’s Assistant
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> Office of Bryan May | Member of Parliament for Cambridge
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> bryan.may at parl.gc.ca
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> “Dear Neighbours,
>
> It’s my great pleasure and pride to serve as your Member of Parliament.
>
> Electoral reform is an important topic, and our government has consulted
> widely on this issue, hearing from almost 400,000 Canadians. In Cambridge,
> I’ve talked with hundreds of constituents, and I want to thank you for
> sharing your opinions and ideas.
>
> These consultations involved listening to the ideas, concerns and
> information presented across the country. The Electoral Reform (ERRE)
> Committee undertook a major study to review our system and look at options
> for moving forward, hundreds of thousands participated in an online survey,
> and tens of thousands of Canadians were engaged in local community events.
> I, along with the other Waterloo Region MPs, hosted an electoral reform
> town hall which brought out more than 250 people, including the Minister.
>
> After the surveys were completed, the ERRE report tabled, and Canadians
> were widely consulted, two things became clear: first, that there is no
> clear consensus on a mandate for change. Canadians were broadly divided on
> this issue. Second, there is no clear preferred voting system that emerged
> as an alternate option. A referendum on the topic would be unhelpful
> without a specific alternative option to vote for. Many individuals broadly
> support a system of proportional representation, but no consensus exists on
> a specific type of proportional system.
>
> We listened to people, learned what experts have to say, reached out to
> families, and understood how changes could influence all of us. However,
> believing in public consultation means that you have to actually listen to
> what people are saying.
>
> The government, in consultation, has decided that we will not be moving
> forward with plans to change our electoral system. The next election will
> be held using the First-Past-the-Post voting system.
>
> I know that there are strong cases both for and against making significant
> changes, and the government recognizes both sides of the argument. There
> simply is no consensus in Cambridge or across Canada at this time. Even if
> you strongly disagree with this decision, I don’t believe anyone will
> disagree that there are valid concerns with all sides of this argument.
>
> I want to sincerely thank the people who have contributed to this
> discussion. The individuals who called or emailed my office, on both sides
> of this issue, those who came out to the electoral reform town-halls, and
> people who offered up opinions and ideas when I met them in our community –
> thank you.
>
> Regardless of your circumstances, political affiliations, or beliefs, I’m
> here to help you with the federal issues that matter to you. Please contact
> my office if you have any questions or concerns.
>
>
>
> Bryan May, MP”
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Kadar [mailto:leskadar at rogers.com <leskadar at rogers.com>]
> Sent: February 1, 2017 6:57 PM
> To: May, Bryan - M.P.
> Subject: Govt abandons vote reform
>
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> Unacceptable.
>
> It was a key pillar in my support for the party.
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> Les Kadar
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