[fvc-wat-disc] number of wasted votes
Jon Bathmaker
jon.bathmaker at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 07:42:33 EST 2017
Ahhh. The missing piece of information. Thanks.
Best,
Jon
On 2/9/2017 9:22 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
> Reply to Jon B:
>
> There 's a list like the one I sent, that Fair Vote quotes often. I
> need to know where it's found.
>
> Eleanor
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> 1. Re: Number of wasted votes 2015? (Jon Bathmaker)
> 2. Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform (Les Kadar)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com
> <mailto:jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
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> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:36:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Number of wasted votes 2015?
>
> Finding the number of effective votes is simple but a lot of work.
>
> Elections Canada has the data here:
> http://elections.ca/res/rep/off/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html
> <http://elections.ca/res/rep/off/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html>
>
> Find the # of votes cast for the second place finisher in each
> riding +1 and sum them all up. That's the number of votes that
> actually elected the MPs i.e. Effective Votes.
>
> Total Votes = Effective Votes + Wasted Votes
>
> In Waterloo Region for example there were 59,849 votes cast, the
> second place guy got 19,318 so it took 19,319 votes to elect the
> winner. The other 40,530 votes had no effect on the outcome and
> were thus not effective votes. Do this another 329 times and you
> have the data for the effective votes. The eligible voters and
> votes cast should be on the web somewhere.
>
> Best,
> Jon Bathmaker
>
> On 2/9/2017 5:21 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
>> Hey Fair Voters,
>>
>> I am looking for the list of figures from 2015 election saying
>> something like:
>> Pop of Cda - 35 mil
>> Eligible voters - 23 mil
>> Votes cast - 16 mil
>> Effective votes - 7 mil
>> Wasted votes - 9 mil
>> I guesstimated these.
>>
>> Where can I find this info with correct numbers?
>>
>> Eleanor
>>
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Les Kadar
> <leskadar at rogers.com <mailto:leskadar at rogers.com>>
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> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>> Cc: Date: Thu, 9 Feb
> 2017 19:57:08 -0500 Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Fwd: Govt abandons
> vote reform
> Sharron had asked if I receive a response from Bryan May on my
> condemnation of the Liberal decision.
> Please see the platform patented response below.
> I don't buy it.
> Les Kadar
> iPad email
> Begin forwarded message:
>> *From:* <Bryan.May at parl.gc.ca <mailto:Bryan.May at parl.gc.ca>>
>> *Date:* February 9, 2017 at 3:20:02 PM EST *To:*
>> <leskadar at rogers.com <mailto:leskadar at rogers.com>> *Subject:*
>> *RE: Govt abandons vote reform*
>>
>> Dear Les,
>>
>> Thank you for your email regarding the Prime Minister’s decision
>> to not change our current voting system.
>>
>> As you are aware, the government has been consulting with
>> Canadians over the course of the last year on how to approach
>> electoral reform. Using town halls, an online survey, and the
>> Electoral Reform (ERRE) committee, our current system was
>> reviewed, and options for moving forward have been carefully
>> considered. In Cambridge, MP May received hundreds of emails and
>> phone calls from constituents over the last year, and he was
>> pleased to host a town hall meeting in Kitchener with other
>> regional MPs on this topic.
>>
>> MP May has written commentary about this decision and posted it
>> on our website <http://bryanmaymp.ca/>. I’ve taken the liberty of
>> including these comments below.
>>
>> If you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free
>> to reach out to me. If you would be interested in speaking with
>> MP May to discuss this personally, please let me know and I would
>> be happy to set up a call.
>>
>> Thank you for your email,
>>
>> cid:image001.png at 01D27D53.D094B590
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dakota Burgin | *Member’s Assistant
>>
>> **Office of Bryan May | Member of Parliament for Cambridge
>>
>> The Valour Building, Room 910
>>
>> Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
>>
>> Tel. (613) 996 – 1307 <tel:%28613%29%20996-1307> Fax: (613) 996 –
>> 8340 <tel:%28613%29%20996-8340> bryan.may at parl.gc.ca
>> <mailto:bryan.may at parl.gc.ca>//
>>
>> “Dear Neighbours,
>>
>> It’s my great pleasure and pride to serve as your Member of
>> Parliament.
>>
>> Electoral reform is an important topic, and our government has
>> consulted widely on this issue, hearing from almost 400,000
>> Canadians. In Cambridge, I’ve talked with hundreds of
>> constituents, and I want to thank you for sharing your opinions
>> and ideas.
>>
>> These consultations involved listening to the ideas, concerns and
>> information presented across the country. The Electoral Reform
>> (ERRE) Committee undertook a major study to review our system and
>> look at options for moving forward, hundreds of thousands
>> participated in an online survey, and tens of thousands of
>> Canadians were engaged in local community events. I, along with
>> the other Waterloo Region MPs, hosted an electoral reform town
>> hall which brought out more than 250 people, including the Minister.
>>
>> After the surveys were completed, the ERRE report tabled, and
>> Canadians were widely consulted, two things became clear: first,
>> that there is no clear consensus on a mandate for change.
>> Canadians were broadly divided on this issue. Second, there is no
>> clear preferred voting system that emerged as an alternate
>> option. A referendum on the topic would be unhelpful without a
>> specific alternative option to vote for. Many individuals broadly
>> support a system of proportional representation, but no consensus
>> exists on a specific type of proportional system.
>>
>> We listened to people, learned what experts have to say, reached
>> out to families, and understood how changes could influence all
>> of us. However, believing in public consultation means that you
>> have to actually listen to what people are saying.
>>
>> The government, in consultation, has decided that we will not be
>> moving forward with plans to change our electoral system. The
>> next election will be held using the First-Past-the-Post voting
>> system.
>>
>> I know that there are strong cases both for and against making
>> significant changes, and the government recognizes both sides of
>> the argument. There simply is no consensus in Cambridge or across
>> Canada at this time. Even if you strongly disagree with this
>> decision, I don’t believe anyone will disagree that there are
>> valid concerns with all sides of this argument.
>>
>> I want to sincerely thank the people who have contributed to this
>> discussion. The individuals who called or emailed my office, on
>> both sides of this issue, those who came out to the electoral
>> reform town-halls, and people who offered up opinions and ideas
>> when I met them in our community – thank you.
>>
>> Regardless of your circumstances, political affiliations, or
>> beliefs, I’m here to help you with the federal issues that matter
>> to you. Please contact my office if you have any questions or
>> concerns.
>>
>> Bryan May, MP”
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Les Kadar
>> [mailto:leskadar at rogers.com] Sent: February 1, 2017 6:57 PM To:
>> May, Bryan - M.P. Subject: Govt abandons vote reform
>>
>> Unacceptable.
>>
>> It was a key pillar in my support for the party.
>>
>> Les Kadar
>>
>> iPad email
>>
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