[fvc-wat-disc] fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 95, Issue 38

Eleanor Grant eleanor7000 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 14:00:40 EST 2017 

Hi Jennifer,

Thanks, just what I was looking for. But I can't copy and paste that or
provide a link to it. Can you tell me where you got it from?

Eleanor

On 10 Feb 2017 00:53, "Eleanor Grant" <eleanor7000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jennifer.
>
> On 9 Feb 2017 21:58, <fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: number of wasted votes (Jennifer Ross)
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:57:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] number of wasted votes
>> Eleanor, this might be it, attached.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reply to Jon B:
>>>
>>> There 's a list like the one I sent, that Fair Vote quotes often. I need
>>> to know where it's found.
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2017 19:57, <fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:
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>>>    1. Re: Number of wasted votes 2015? (Jon Bathmaker)
>>>    2. Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform (Les Kadar)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:36:52 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Number of wasted votes 2015?
>>>
>>> Finding the number of effective votes is simple but a lot of work.
>>>
>>> Elections Canada has the data here:  http://elections.ca/res/rep/of
>>> f/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html
>>>
>>> Find the # of votes cast for the second place finisher in each riding +1
>>> and  sum them all up.   That's the number of votes that actually elected
>>> the MPs i.e. Effective Votes.
>>>
>>> Total Votes = Effective Votes + Wasted Votes
>>>
>>> In Waterloo Region for example there were 59,849 votes cast, the second
>>> place guy got 19,318 so it took 19,319 votes to elect the winner.   The
>>> other 40,530 votes had no effect on the outcome and were thus not
>>> effective  votes.   Do this another 329 times and you have the data for the
>>> effective votes.   The eligible voters and votes cast should be on the web
>>> somewhere.
>>> Best,
>>> Jon Bathmaker
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2017 5:21 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Fair Voters,
>>>
>>> I am looking for the list of figures from 2015 election saying something
>>> like:
>>> Pop of Cda - 35 mil
>>> Eligible voters - 23 mil
>>> Votes cast - 16 mil
>>> Effective votes - 7 mil
>>> Wasted votes - 9 mil
>>> I guesstimated these.
>>>
>>> Where can I find this info with correct numbers?
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Les Kadar <leskadar at rogers.com>
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>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:57:08 -0500
>>> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform
>>> Sharron had asked if I receive a response from Bryan May on my
>>> condemnation of the Liberal decision.
>>> Please see the platform patented response below.
>>> I don't buy it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Les Kadar
>>> iPad email
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> *From:* <Bryan.May at parl.gc.ca>
>>> *Date:* February 9, 2017 at 3:20:02 PM EST
>>> *To:* <leskadar at rogers.com>
>>> *Subject:* *RE: Govt abandons vote reform*
>>>
>>> Dear Les,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your email regarding the Prime Minister’s decision to not
>>> change our current voting system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you are aware, the government has been consulting with Canadians over
>>> the course of the last year on how to approach electoral reform. Using town
>>> halls, an online survey, and the Electoral Reform (ERRE) committee, our
>>> current system was reviewed, and options for moving forward have been
>>> carefully considered. In Cambridge, MP May received hundreds of emails and
>>> phone calls from constituents over the last year, and he was pleased to
>>> host a town hall meeting in Kitchener with other regional MPs on this topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MP May has written commentary about this decision and posted it on our
>>> website <http://bryanmaymp.ca/>. I’ve taken the liberty of including
>>> these comments below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to
>>> reach out to me. If you would be interested in speaking with MP May to
>>> discuss this personally, please let me know and I would be happy to set up
>>> a call.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your email,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01D27D53.D094B590]
>>>
>>> *Dakota Burgin | *Member’s Assistant
>>>
>>>
>>> Office of Bryan May | Member of Parliament for Cambridge
>>>
>>> The Valour Building, Room 910
>>>
>>> Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0A6
>>>
>>> Tel. (613) 996 – 1307 <(613)%20996-1307>
>>> Fax: (613) 996 – 8340 <(613)%20996-8340>
>>>
>>> bryan.may at parl.gc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Dear Neighbours,
>>>
>>> It’s my great pleasure and pride to serve as your Member of Parliament.
>>>
>>> Electoral reform is an important topic, and our government has consulted
>>> widely on this issue, hearing from almost 400,000 Canadians. In Cambridge,
>>> I’ve talked with hundreds of constituents, and I want to thank you for
>>> sharing your opinions and ideas.
>>>
>>> These consultations involved listening to the ideas, concerns and
>>> information presented across the country. The Electoral Reform (ERRE)
>>> Committee undertook a major study to review our system and look at options
>>> for moving forward, hundreds of thousands participated in an online survey,
>>> and tens of thousands of Canadians were engaged in local community events.
>>> I, along with the other Waterloo Region MPs, hosted an electoral reform
>>> town hall which brought out more than 250 people, including the Minister.
>>>
>>> After the surveys were completed, the ERRE report tabled, and Canadians
>>> were widely consulted, two things became clear: first, that there is no
>>> clear consensus on a mandate for change. Canadians were broadly divided on
>>> this issue. Second, there is no clear preferred voting system that emerged
>>> as an alternate option. A referendum on the topic would be unhelpful
>>> without a specific alternative option to vote for. Many individuals broadly
>>> support a system of proportional representation, but no consensus exists on
>>> a specific type of proportional system.
>>>
>>> We listened to people, learned what experts have to say, reached out to
>>> families, and understood how changes could influence all of us. However,
>>> believing in public consultation means that you have to actually listen to
>>> what people are saying.
>>>
>>> The government, in consultation, has decided that we will not be moving
>>> forward with plans to change our electoral system. The next election will
>>> be held using the First-Past-the-Post voting system.
>>>
>>> I know that there are strong cases both for and against making
>>> significant changes, and the government recognizes both sides of the
>>> argument. There simply is no consensus in Cambridge or across Canada at
>>> this time. Even if you strongly disagree with this decision, I don’t
>>> believe anyone will disagree that there are valid concerns with all sides
>>> of this argument.
>>>
>>> I want to sincerely thank the people who have contributed to this
>>> discussion. The individuals who called or emailed my office, on both sides
>>> of this issue, those who came out to the electoral reform town-halls, and
>>> people who offered up opinions and ideas when I met them in our community –
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Regardless of your circumstances, political affiliations, or beliefs,
>>> I’m here to help you with the federal issues that matter to you. Please
>>> contact my office if you have any questions or concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryan May, MP”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Les Kadar [mailto:leskadar at rogers.com <leskadar at rogers.com>]
>>> Sent: February 1, 2017 6:57 PM
>>> To: May, Bryan - M.P.
>>> Subject: Govt abandons vote reform
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unacceptable.
>>>
>>> It was a key pillar in my support for the party.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Les Kadar
>>>
>>> iPad email
>>>
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