[fvc-wat-disc] fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 95, Issue 38

Fri Feb 10 00:53:16 EST 2017

Thanks Jennifer.

On 9 Feb 2017 21:58, <fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: number of wasted votes (Jennifer Ross)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:57:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] number of wasted votes
> Eleanor, this might be it, attached.
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> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Reply to Jon B:
>>
>> There 's a list like the one I sent, that Fair Vote quotes often. I need
>> to know where it's found.
>>
>> Eleanor
>>
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>> On 9 Feb 2017 19:57, <fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Re: Number of wasted votes 2015? (Jon Bathmaker)
>>    2. Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform (Les Kadar)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:36:52 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Number of wasted votes 2015?
>>
>> Finding the number of effective votes is simple but a lot of work.
>>
>> Elections Canada has the data here:  http://elections.ca/res/rep/of
>> f/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html
>>
>> Find the # of votes cast for the second place finisher in each riding +1
>> and  sum them all up.   That's the number of votes that actually elected
>> the MPs i.e. Effective Votes.
>>
>> Total Votes = Effective Votes + Wasted Votes
>>
>> In Waterloo Region for example there were 59,849 votes cast, the second
>> place guy got 19,318 so it took 19,319 votes to elect the winner.   The
>> other 40,530 votes had no effect on the outcome and were thus not
>> effective  votes.   Do this another 329 times and you have the data for the
>> effective votes.   The eligible voters and votes cast should be on the web
>> somewhere.
>> Best,
>> Jon Bathmaker
>>
>> On 2/9/2017 5:21 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
>>
>> Hey Fair Voters,
>>
>> I am looking for the list of figures from 2015 election saying something
>> like:
>> Pop of Cda - 35 mil
>> Eligible voters - 23 mil
>> Votes cast - 16 mil
>> Effective votes - 7 mil
>> Wasted votes - 9 mil
>> I guesstimated these.
>>
>> Where can I find this info with correct numbers?
>>
>> Eleanor
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Les Kadar <leskadar at rogers.com>
>> To: "fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org" <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
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>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:57:08 -0500
>> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform
>> Sharron had asked if I receive a response from Bryan May on my
>> condemnation of the Liberal decision.
>> Please see the platform patented response below.
>> I don't buy it.
>>
>>
>> Les Kadar
>> iPad email
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* <Bryan.May at parl.gc.ca>
>> *Date:* February 9, 2017 at 3:20:02 PM EST
>> *To:* <leskadar at rogers.com>
>> *Subject:* *RE: Govt abandons vote reform*
>>
>> Dear Les,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your email regarding the Prime Minister’s decision to not
>> change our current voting system.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you are aware, the government has been consulting with Canadians over
>> the course of the last year on how to approach electoral reform. Using town
>> halls, an online survey, and the Electoral Reform (ERRE) committee, our
>> current system was reviewed, and options for moving forward have been
>> carefully considered. In Cambridge, MP May received hundreds of emails and
>> phone calls from constituents over the last year, and he was pleased to
>> host a town hall meeting in Kitchener with other regional MPs on this topic.
>>
>>
>>
>> MP May has written commentary about this decision and posted it on our
>> website <http://bryanmaymp.ca/>. I’ve taken the liberty of including
>> these comments below.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to reach
>> out to me. If you would be interested in speaking with MP May to discuss
>> this personally, please let me know and I would be happy to set up a call.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your email,
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01D27D53.D094B590]
>>
>> *Dakota Burgin | *Member’s Assistant
>>
>>
>> Office of Bryan May | Member of Parliament for Cambridge
>>
>> The Valour Building, Room 910
>>
>> Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0A6
>>
>> Tel. (613) 996 – 1307 <(613)%20996-1307>
>> Fax: (613) 996 – 8340 <(613)%20996-8340>
>>
>> bryan.may at parl.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> “Dear Neighbours,
>>
>> It’s my great pleasure and pride to serve as your Member of Parliament.
>>
>> Electoral reform is an important topic, and our government has consulted
>> widely on this issue, hearing from almost 400,000 Canadians. In Cambridge,
>> I’ve talked with hundreds of constituents, and I want to thank you for
>> sharing your opinions and ideas.
>>
>> These consultations involved listening to the ideas, concerns and
>> information presented across the country. The Electoral Reform (ERRE)
>> Committee undertook a major study to review our system and look at options
>> for moving forward, hundreds of thousands participated in an online survey,
>> and tens of thousands of Canadians were engaged in local community events.
>> I, along with the other Waterloo Region MPs, hosted an electoral reform
>> town hall which brought out more than 250 people, including the Minister.
>>
>> After the surveys were completed, the ERRE report tabled, and Canadians
>> were widely consulted, two things became clear: first, that there is no
>> clear consensus on a mandate for change. Canadians were broadly divided on
>> this issue. Second, there is no clear preferred voting system that emerged
>> as an alternate option. A referendum on the topic would be unhelpful
>> without a specific alternative option to vote for. Many individuals broadly
>> support a system of proportional representation, but no consensus exists on
>> a specific type of proportional system.
>>
>> We listened to people, learned what experts have to say, reached out to
>> families, and understood how changes could influence all of us. However,
>> believing in public consultation means that you have to actually listen to
>> what people are saying.
>>
>> The government, in consultation, has decided that we will not be moving
>> forward with plans to change our electoral system. The next election will
>> be held using the First-Past-the-Post voting system.
>>
>> I know that there are strong cases both for and against making
>> significant changes, and the government recognizes both sides of the
>> argument. There simply is no consensus in Cambridge or across Canada at
>> this time. Even if you strongly disagree with this decision, I don’t
>> believe anyone will disagree that there are valid concerns with all sides
>> of this argument.
>>
>> I want to sincerely thank the people who have contributed to this
>> discussion. The individuals who called or emailed my office, on both sides
>> of this issue, those who came out to the electoral reform town-halls, and
>> people who offered up opinions and ideas when I met them in our community –
>> thank you.
>>
>> Regardless of your circumstances, political affiliations, or beliefs, I’m
>> here to help you with the federal issues that matter to you. Please contact
>> my office if you have any questions or concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bryan May, MP”
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Les Kadar [mailto:leskadar at rogers.com <leskadar at rogers.com>]
>> Sent: February 1, 2017 6:57 PM
>> To: May, Bryan - M.P.
>> Subject: Govt abandons vote reform
>>
>>
>>
>> Unacceptable.
>>
>> It was a key pillar in my support for the party.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Les Kadar
>>
>> iPad email
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