[fvc-wat-disc] Results of the mydemocracy.ca survey are available

Wed Jan 25 01:46:36 EST 2017

They dismissed all the people who showed up at the ERRE meetings as an
unrepresentative special interest group recruited by FVC, and way too few
people to conclude anything from.

Now they have this survey which I know is flawed but:

If it's 300,000 who filled it out, that's about 100x the number of people
FVC could get to fill something. So, whoever filled this thing out, they
can't say it was the special interest group.

Of course they can spin anything to justify keeping the status quo if
that's what they want to do. But Canadians keep making it harder :)

Anita

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

> Lipstick on a pig.
>
> mydemocracy.ca was a flawed survey: it allowed a self-selected set of
> respondents; it had no controls for respondents answering multiple times;
> it had no controls for geographic location of respondents; it asked
> leading, ambiguous questions with no clear answers. The response rate was
> under 1% of Canadians (or maybe under 2% of eligible voters). There was
> absolutely no scientific validity to this survey, and so any conclusions
> drawn are completely invalid, even if they do happen to grasp at a
> favourable straw.
>
> I would pay attention to how the media is spinning this: "Canadians are
> happy with their democracy, no electoral reform needed."
>
> The real tragedy is that $350,000 was wasted on this, compared to the
> $250,000 ERRE budget.
>
> This Liberal government will take this as permission to break another
> election promise.
>
> --Bob
>
> On January 24, 2017 10:58:09 PM EST, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> So far now Jenn and I are a fan club of two in a sea of people calling
>> the results crap.
>>
>> I know the survey was bad - I wrote the guide to navigate the awful
>> questions.
>>
>> But what's crap right now is the way the media is spinning it. It reminds
>> me of the BC STV referendum - 58% said yes but STV was "rejected". Really?
>>
>> "Survey says Canadians love our system!" says the media!
>>
>> They weren't even ASKED about our system. If they were asked how many
>> like FPTP I'm sure the usual 30-40% would say "great stuff".
>>
>> What Canadians love - according to mydemocracy.ca which probably 300,000
>> people - is *MULTI-PARTY governments that have to make legislation
>> together. *Seriously, that's what it says. About four questions all
>> reinforcing that.
>>
>> People also said they want to express their preferences even if it takes
>> longer for ballots to be counted and they want more diversity of views in
>> Parliament.
>>
>> Even that awful question - "do you want a few big parties or many small
>> parties" - what a stupid choice which reminds me of "do you want stability
>> or a big zoo of wingdings" - 41% of people said they want "many small
>> parties." I couldn't imagine more than 20% saying that. That 41% said "many
>> small parties" is not a stat I'd make a poster of but I think it's
>> significant.
>>
>> My own opinion is, the survey was designed with skewed questions probably
>> so the gov't could say "no consensus" and "look, people don't want change".
>> It came back loud and clear that people think we can do better than 39%
>> majorities.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know what TL:DR means, but I did read the very clear and
>>> unequivocal call for coalition governments--three different questions, all
>>> three were in the 70% range for it.  I did read where people don't really
>>> care how long it takes to count the ballots as long as they have choice on
>>> the ballots.  I read a bunch of things that were slightly one way or the
>>> other, but for the most part, I thought it was remarkably in our favour!
>>>
>>> I frankly don't understand why people are crapping on it.
>>>
>>> Tomorrow will be a great discussion night!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> The results of the mydemocracy.ca survey have been published:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/electoral-reform/learn-abo
>>>> ut-canadian-federal-electoral-reform/mydemocracyca-online-
>>>> digital-consultation-engagement-platform.html
>>>>
>>>> TL;DR: No electoral reform for us.
>>>>
>>>> - --Bob.
>>>>
>>>>
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