[fvc-wat-disc] fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 100, Issue 31

Sun Jul 23 17:57:12 EDT 2017

A late entry

Vote your bums in

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>    1. Re: New T-shirts need a snappy message (David dirks)
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:27:12 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>         <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>,  'Jennifer Ross'
>         <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
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> OK.
> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
> # 7
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>     On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
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> div.yiv0169780274WordSection1 {}#yiv0169780274 I vote for # 5 for the front
> of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.Cathy ?From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:
> fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of David Dolson
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message ??It was
> supposed to be ?"No Taxation without?Proportional?Representation"? ?Yes, it
> is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class. ?-Dave
> | From: Donald FraserSent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PMTo: Jennifer Ross;
> FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region
> DiscussionSubject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>
>  ?I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
> over the heads of too many. ?"No Taxation with?Proportional?Representation"
> ?On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
> wrote:Okay, we have a fantastic selection.? Let's each pick our preferred
> T-shirt, shall we?1.? True democracy should be - fair representation for
> all.2.? Want PR - don't trust a Liberal3.? Democracy is Representation -
> Fair Representation - Proportional Representation4.? Democracy: Fair,
> Proportional.5.? Demand Representation: Fair? & Proportional.6.? We want
> Representation: Fair? & Proportional.7.? Vote to make your Vote Count8.?
> Proportional is best for all voters.9.? Vote much? - fairvote.ca10.?
> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation11.? No
> Taxation without Proportional Representation? Edited this one because we
> don't want to promise the moon!12.? 39=54=100?13.? What do 92 democracies
> have that Canada lacks?
>
>  ?Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
> like several of them.My picks:? 5, 7, 12, 13Jenn
>
>
>
>  ? ?On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:"Proportional Representation" on the back? ?On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM,
> "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:I get the idea of a
> question to promote discussion ... but we reach far more people who will
> only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g. when we are shopping,
> walking, etc. ... they need to get the message without discussion. ?On 22
> July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Works for
> me ?On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:I
> like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it sound
> like a bad thing. ??"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?" ?-Dave
> | From: Sharon SommervilleSent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PMTo: FVC
> Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject:
> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>
>  ?Nice one Jay. ?S. ?On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Sorry.? One more.? I liked the idea of a
> question to spur discussion. ?"What do 92 democracies have that Canada does
> not?" ?On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hello Everyone, ?Below are the 14
> suggestions so far, in the order in which they were received: ?"Your vote
> should count"
>
> "40% votes
> 60% seats
> 100% power" ?True democracy should befair representation for all. ??"Want
> PR - don't trust a Liberal" ?Democracy is Representation - Fair
> Representation - Proportional Representation ?Democracy: Fair,
> Proportional. ?Demand Representation: Fair? & Proportional. ?We
> want?Representation: Fair? & Proportional.
>
> Vote to make your Vote Count ?vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
> ?Proportional is best for all voters. ?Vote much?
> fairvote.ca ?Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
> Representation? ?"No Taxation without?Proportional?Representation" * ? -
> the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without". ? ?39=54=100??
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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> ? ?We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a
> ranked ballot? :) ?Send in your top 4, ?we will compile them and look for a
> majority! :) ?Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.? The
> one above is just a place to start. ? ?Also, revisions to any message are
> also welcome.? One thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order
> by Tuesday, we need to make our decision by Monday night.? ?Thanks to
> everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken!? Hope to hear
> from you soon! ?Kind regards,Sharon ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
>  ? ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hi Evan, ?Rather excellent! ?Thank
> you! ?Sharon ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:The best I? thought of is in the style of
> my favourite cartoonist Sid Barron:
>
> Vote much?
> fairvote.ca
>
> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
> Great ideas everyone!? Enjoyed reading all of them!  ?The sale ends on the
> 25th, which is the only way we can afford to purchase the Tshirts. ?Can we
> make a decision over the weekend?? How do we make a decision, that is the
> question! ?Have a great day,Sharon ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM,
> Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:Heheh!But its a good idea,
> Cathy.? Maybe we can do that at our next discussion group? ?On Fri, Jul 21,
> 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so
> many bad ideas from me :-) ? ?-Dave
> | From: Cathy ScottSent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AMTo: 'FVC Waterloo
> Region Discussion'Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject: Re:
> [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>
>  ?HI, All,I have been keeping up with everyone?s responses about the
> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
> ?brainstorming? session to come up with a catchy phrase.I have found this
> method quite productive, and we have used it in the past, ?where we write
> down everyone?s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and use the results to
> focus and formulate a ?catchy message?.Cathy?From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:
> fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of Sharon
> Sommerville
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message?Hello
> FairVoting Friends,?We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we
> need a catchy message to put on them.? Any ideas??The message should
> express our message of fairness and equality for all voters in just a few
> words.? If you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know!?With
> thanks,Sharonfor FVC-WR???? ?
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