[fvc-wat-disc] fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 100, Issue 31

Sun Jul 23 19:37:24 EDT 2017

I like that - maybe a bit smartass for most people, but gets attention
that's for sure.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com> wrote:

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>>    1. Re: New T-shirts need a snappy message (David dirks)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:27:12 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>         <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>,  'Jennifer Ross'
>>         <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>> Message-ID: <1069870903.3266961.1500841632453 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> OK.
>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>> # 7
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>>     On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> div.yiv0169780274WordSection1 {}#yiv0169780274 I vote for # 5 for the front
>> of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.Cathy ?From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:
>> fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of David Dolson
>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>> To: Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message ??It was
>> supposed to be ?"No Taxation without?Proportional?Representation"? ?Yes,
>> it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class. ?-Dave
>> | From: Donald FraserSent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PMTo: Jennifer
>> Ross; FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region
>> DiscussionSubject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>>
>>  ?I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
>> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
>> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
>> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
>> over the heads of too many. ?"No Taxation with?Proportional?Representation"
>> ?On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>> wrote:Okay, we have a fantastic selection.? Let's each pick our preferred
>> T-shirt, shall we?1.? True democracy should be - fair representation for
>> all.2.? Want PR - don't trust a Liberal3.? Democracy is Representation -
>> Fair Representation - Proportional Representation4.? Democracy: Fair,
>> Proportional.5.? Demand Representation: Fair? & Proportional.6.? We want
>> Representation: Fair? & Proportional.7.? Vote to make your Vote Count8.?
>> Proportional is best for all voters.9.? Vote much? - fairvote.ca10.?
>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation11.? No
>> Taxation without Proportional Representation? Edited this one because we
>> don't want to promise the moon!12.? 39=54=100?13.? What do 92 democracies
>> have that Canada lacks?
>>
>>  ?Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>> like several of them.My picks:? 5, 7, 12, 13Jenn
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>>  ? ?On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:"Proportional Representation" on the back? ?On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM,
>> "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:I get the idea of a
>> question to promote discussion ... but we reach far more people who will
>> only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g. when we are shopping,
>> walking, etc. ... they need to get the message without discussion. ?On 22
>> July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Works for
>> me ?On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:I
>> like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it sound
>> like a bad thing. ??"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?" ?-Dave
>> | From: Sharon SommervilleSent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PMTo: FVC
>> Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject:
>> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>>
>>  ?Nice one Jay. ?S. ?On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Sorry.? One more.? I liked the idea of a
>> question to spur discussion. ?"What do 92 democracies have that Canada does
>> not?" ?On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hello Everyone, ?Below are the 14
>> suggestions so far, in the order in which they were received: ?"Your vote
>> should count"
>>
>> "40% votes
>> 60% seats
>> 100% power" ?True democracy should befair representation for all. ??"Want
>> PR - don't trust a Liberal" ?Democracy is Representation - Fair
>> Representation - Proportional Representation ?Democracy: Fair,
>> Proportional. ?Demand Representation: Fair? & Proportional. ?We
>> want?Representation: Fair? & Proportional.
>>
>> Vote to make your Vote Count ?vote for a candidate who supports PR in
>> 2019 ?Proportional is best for all voters. ?Vote much?
>> fairvote.ca ?Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>> Representation? ?"No Taxation without?Proportional?Representation" * ? -
>> the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without". ? ?39=54=100??
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ? ?We need a
>> way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a ranked ballot?
>> :) ?Send in your top 4, ?we will compile them and look for a majority! :)
>> ?Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.? The one above is
>> just a place to start. ? ?Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.?
>> One thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we
>> need to make our decision by Monday night.? ?Thanks to everyone for their
>> suggestions and comments, all well taken!? Hope to hear from you soon!
>> ?Kind regards,Sharon ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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>>  ? ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hi Evan, ?Rather excellent! ?Thank
>> you! ?Sharon ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:The best I? thought of is in the style of
>> my favourite cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>
>> Vote much?
>> fairvote.ca
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>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>> Great ideas everyone!? Enjoyed reading all of them!  ?The sale ends on
>> the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to purchase the Tshirts. ?Can
>> we make a decision over the weekend?? How do we make a decision, that is
>> the question! ?Have a great day,Sharon ?On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM,
>> Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:Heheh!But its a good idea,
>> Cathy.? Maybe we can do that at our next discussion group? ?On Fri, Jul 21,
>> 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so
>> many bad ideas from me :-) ? ?-Dave
>> | From: Cathy ScottSent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AMTo: 'FVC Waterloo
>> Region Discussion'Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject: Re:
>> [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |
>>
>>  ?HI, All,I have been keeping up with everyone?s responses about the
>> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
>> ?brainstorming? session to come up with a catchy phrase.I have found this
>> method quite productive, and we have used it in the past, ?where we write
>> down everyone?s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and use the results to
>> focus and formulate a ?catchy message?.Cathy?From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:
>> fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of Sharon
>> Sommerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message?Hello
>> FairVoting Friends,?We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we
>> need a catchy message to put on them.? Any ideas??The message should
>> express our message of fairness and equality for all voters in just a few
>> words.? If you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know!?With
>> thanks,Sharonfor FVC-WR???? ? ?_____________________________
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