[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Sun Jul 23 14:06:24 EDT 2017

OK mine didn't get into the list, ... I like it because it's informative if
not catchy, so I'll give it number 14

14,9,6

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On 23 July 2017 at 13:55, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
> over the heads of too many.
>
> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>
> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our preferred
>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>
>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>
>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>
>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>> Representation
>>
>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>
>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>
>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>
>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>
>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>
>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>
>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>
>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this one
>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>
>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>
>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>
>>
>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>> like several of them.
>>
>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far
>>>> more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g.
>>>> when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>> without discussion.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use
>>>>>>>> a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look for
>>>>>>>> a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to bear
>>>>>>>> in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas, and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality
>>>>>>>>>>>> for all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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