[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Jennifer Ross
2jennross at gmail.com
Sun Jul 23 14:08:48 EDT 2017
Sorry, Donald!
I kind of missed it. Well, I didn't think it was for a T-shirt for some
reason.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
wrote:
> OK mine didn't get into the list, ... I like it because it's informative
> if not catchy, so I'll give it number 14
>
> 14,9,6
>
> [image: Inline images 1]
>
> On 23 July 2017 at 13:55, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
>> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
>> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
>> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
>> over the heads of too many.
>>
>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>
>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>
>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>
>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>
>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>> Representation
>>>
>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>
>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>
>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>
>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>
>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>
>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>
>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>
>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this one
>>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>
>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>
>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>>> like several of them.
>>>
>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>
>>> Jenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the
>>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could
>>>>>>>>> use a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look
>>>>>>>>> for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one
>>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to
>>>>>>>>> bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make
>>>>>>>>> our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>>> taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford
>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas, and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equality for all voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, please let us know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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