[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Sun Jul 23 16:27:12 EDT 2017

OK.
# 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
# 7

    On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:

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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
To: Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message  ‎It was supposed to be  "No Taxation without Proportional Representation"‎  Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.  -Dave
| From: Donald FraserSent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PMTo: Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |

  I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes over the heads of too many.  "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"  On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our preferred T-shirt, shall we?1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional Representation4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.7.  Vote to make your Vote Count8.  Proportional is best for all voters.9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this one because we don't want to promise the moon!12.  39=54=100?13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?

  Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really like several of them.My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13Jenn

    On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:"Proportional Representation" on the back?  On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message without discussion.  On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Works for me  On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it sound like a bad thing.  ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"  -Dave
| From: Sharon SommervilleSent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PMTo: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionReply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |

  Nice one Jay.  S.  On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.  "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"  On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hello Everyone,  Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were received:  "Your vote should count"

"40% votes
60% seats
100% power"  True democracy should befair representation for all.   "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional Representation  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.

Vote to make your Vote Count  vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019  Proportional is best for all voters.  Vote much?
fairvote.ca  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation   "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".    39=54=100?                                                                    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------    We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look for a majority! :)  Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one above is just a place to start.    Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our decision by Monday night.   Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!  Kind regards,Sharon                  

    On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:Hi Evan,  Rather excellent!  Thank you!  Sharon  On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid Barron:

Vote much?
fairvote.ca

On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!   The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to purchase the Tshirts.  Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a decision, that is the question!  Have a great day,Sharon  On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:Heheh!But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next discussion group?  On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)    -Dave
| From: Cathy ScottSent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AMTo: 'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region DiscussionSubject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message |

  HI, All,I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.Cathy From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Sommerville
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
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Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message Hello FairVoting Friends, We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas? The message should express our message of fairness and equality for all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know! With thanks,Sharonfor FVC-WR        _______________________________________________
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