[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Sun Jul 23 22:32:51 EDT 2017
Second Round!
Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
#5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
#7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
#13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
Proportional Representation
This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
throwing it in on this round:
#1a - 40% Votes
60% Seats
100 Power
Not Democracy
Vote soon!
Thank you everyone!
Sharon
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
> doing this for the design as well.
>
> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote and
> get it to you later tonight.
>
> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
> each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
> are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
> little on them. What to you think?
>
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose between
>> a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>
>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-
>> the-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-
>> sleeve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>
>> Anita
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> Anita
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>,
>>> Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>
>>> # 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> It was supposed to be
>>>
>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>
>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
>>> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
>>> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
>>> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
>>> over the heads of too many.
>>>
>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>
>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>> Representation
>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this one
>>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>>> like several of them.
>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>> Jenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far
>>> more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g.
>>> when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>> without discussion.
>>>
>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Works for me
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it
>>> sound like a bad thing.
>>>
>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>
>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>> received:
>>>
>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>
>>> "40% votes
>>> 60% seats
>>> 100% power"
>>>
>>> True democracy should be
>>> fair representation for all.
>>>
>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>
>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>> Representation
>>>
>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>
>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>
>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>
>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>
>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>
>>> Vote much?
>>> fairvote.ca
>>>
>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>
>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the original
>>> suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>
>>> 39=54=100?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a
>>> ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for a
>>> majority! :)
>>>
>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one above
>>> is just a place to start.
>>>
>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear in
>>> mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken!
>>> Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Evan,
>>>
>>> Rather excellent!
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <erosamond at worldline.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid
>>> Barron:
>>>
>>> Vote much?
>>> fairvote.ca
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>
>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>
>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>
>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision,
>>> that is the question!
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Heheh!
>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next discussion
>>> group?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so
>>> many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> HI, All,
>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the
>>> past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and
>>> use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>
>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>> message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for all
>>> voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please
>>> let us know!
>>>
>>> With thanks,
>>> Sharon
>>> for FVC-WR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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