[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 08:04:15 EDT 2017
Yes, there is a second round:
#5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
#7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
#13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
Proportional Representation
This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
throwing it in on this round:
#1a - 40% Votes
60% Seats
100 Power
Not Democracy
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
> Do we get to vote again?
>
>
> -Dave
> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>
> Second Round!
>
> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>
> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>
> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>
> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
> Proportional Representation
>
> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
> throwing it in on this round:
>
> #1a - 40% Votes
> 60% Seats
> 100 Power
> Not Democracy
>
> Vote soon!
>
> Thank you everyone!
>
> Sharon
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
>> doing this for the design as well.
>>
>> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote and
>> get it to you later tonight.
>>
>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>> each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>> are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>> little on them. What to you think?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose between
>>> a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>
>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>
>>> Anita
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>> tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Anita
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>,
>>>> Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>
>>>> # 7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
>>>> *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> It was supposed to be
>>>>
>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
>>>> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
>>>> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
>>>> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
>>>> over the heads of too many.
>>>>
>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>
>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>> Representation
>>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this one
>>>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>>>> like several of them.
>>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>> Jenn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far
>>>> more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g.
>>>> when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>> without discussion.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Works for me
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it
>>>> sound like a bad thing.
>>>>
>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>
>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>
>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>>> received:
>>>>
>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>
>>>> "40% votes
>>>> 60% seats
>>>> 100% power"
>>>>
>>>> True democracy should be
>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>
>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>
>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>> Representation
>>>>
>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>
>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>
>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>
>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>
>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>
>>>> Vote much?
>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>
>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>
>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the original
>>>> suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>
>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a
>>>> ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for a
>>>> majority! :)
>>>>
>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one above
>>>> is just a place to start.
>>>>
>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear in
>>>> mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken!
>>>> Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>
>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <erosamond at worldline.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid
>>>> Barron:
>>>>
>>>> Vote much?
>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>
>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>
>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision,
>>>> that is the question!
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day,
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Heheh!
>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>> discussion group?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so
>>>> many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> HI, All,
>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the
>>>> past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and
>>>> use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
>>>> *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>
>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>>> message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for all
>>>> voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please
>>>> let us know!
>>>>
>>>> With thanks,
>>>> Sharon
>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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