[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Dave Arthur
arthurd23 at bell.net
Mon Jul 24 08:26:10 EDT 2017
Are the four below the candidates for the second round?
If so, my preferences are
#1a with a % after the 100
#5
#13 including the front and back
Dave A
From: Sharon Sommerville
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:04 AM
To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Yes, there is a second round:
#5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
#7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
#13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back: Proportional Representation
This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
#1a - 40% Votes
60% Seats
100 Power
Not Democracy
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
Do we get to vote again?
-Dave
From: Sharon Sommerville
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Second Round!
Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
#5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
#7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
#13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back: Proportional Representation
This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
#1a - 40% Votes
60% Seats
100 Power
Not Democracy
Vote soon!
Thank you everyone!
Sharon
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine doing this for the design as well.
Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote and get it to you later tonight.
Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a little on them. What to you think?
Cheers,
S.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-the-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-sleeve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
Anita
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later tonight.
Anita
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From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
OK.
# 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
# 7
On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
Cathy
From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of David Dolson
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
To: Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
It was supposed to be
"No Taxation without Proportional Representation"
Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.
-Dave
From: Donald Fraser
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
To: Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
"No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred T-shirt, shall we?
1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional Representation
4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
7. Vote to make your Vote Count
8. Proportional is best for all voters.
9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
12. 39=54=100?
13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really like several of them.
My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
Jenn
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
"Proportional Representation" on the back?
On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message without discussion.
On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
Works for me
On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it sound like a bad thing.
"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
-Dave
From: Sharon Sommerville
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Nice one Jay.
S.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
"What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were received:
"Your vote should count"
"40% votes
60% seats
100% power"
True democracy should be
fair representation for all.
"Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional Representation
Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
Vote to make your Vote Count
vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
Proportional is best for all voters.
Vote much?
fairvote.ca
Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
"No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
39=54=100?
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We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for a majority! :)
Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one above is just a place to start.
Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our decision by Monday night.
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
Kind regards,
Sharon
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Evan,
Rather excellent!
Thank you!
Sharon
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid Barron:
Vote much?
fairvote.ca
On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to purchase the Tshirts.
Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision, that is the question!
Have a great day,
Sharon
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
Heheh!
But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next discussion group?
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
-Dave
From: Cathy Scott
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
To: 'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
HI, All,
I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.
I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
Cathy
From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Sommerville
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Hello FairVoting Friends,
We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy message to put on them. Any ideas?
The message should express our message of fairness and equality for all voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions, please let us know!
With thanks,
Sharon
for FVC-WR
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