[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Jennifer Ross 2jennross at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 09:38:05 EDT 2017 

My second round pick, in order:

#13 front and back
#  7
#  5

Jenn

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 9:03 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:

> 1a, 13, 7, 5
>
> -Dave
> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:36 AM
> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>
> Yes, those are the second round choices.
>
> Thanks Dave!
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>
>> Are the four below the candidates for the second round?
>> If so, my preferences are
>> #1a with a % after the 100
>> #5
>> #13 including the front and back
>> Dave A
>>
>> *From:* Sharon Sommerville
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 8:04 AM
>> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>
>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>
>>
>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>
>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>
>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>> Proportional Representation
>>
>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>> throwing it in on this round:
>>
>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>          60% Seats
>>          100 Power
>>       Not Democracy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>> -Dave
>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> Second Round!
>>>
>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>
>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>
>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>
>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>> Proportional Representation
>>>
>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>
>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>          60% Seats
>>>          100 Power
>>>       Not Democracy
>>>
>>> Vote soon!
>>>
>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
>>>> doing this for the design as well.
>>>>
>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of the vote
>>>> and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>>>> each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>>>> are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>>>> little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>
>>>>> Anita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think
>>>>>> the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England
>>>>>> ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American
>>>>>> history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but
>>>>>> goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our preferred
>>>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this
>>>>>> one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>>>>> received:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the original
>>>>>> suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a
>>>>>> ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look for a
>>>>>> majority! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to bear
>>>>>> in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid
>>>>>> Barron:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a decision,
>>>>>> that is the question!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing
>>>>>> so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the
>>>>>> past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and
>>>>>> use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>>>>> message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for
>>>>>> all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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