[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Jay Judkowitz
judkowitz at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 10:01:43 EDT 2017
My second round: 13, 5, 1, 7
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, there is a second round:
>
>
> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>
> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>
> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
> Proportional Representation
>
> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
> throwing it in on this round:
>
> #1a - 40% Votes
> 60% Seats
> 100 Power
> Not Democracy
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>
>> Do we get to vote again?
>>
>>
>> -Dave
>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>
>> Second Round!
>>
>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>
>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>
>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>
>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
>> Proportional Representation
>>
>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>> throwing it in on this round:
>>
>> #1a - 40% Votes
>> 60% Seats
>> 100 Power
>> Not Democracy
>>
>> Vote soon!
>>
>> Thank you everyone!
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
>>> doing this for the design as well.
>>>
>>> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote and
>>> get it to you later tonight.
>>>
>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>>> each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>>> are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>>> little on them. What to you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>
>>>> Anita
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anita
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>,
>>>>> Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>
>>>>> # 7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> It was supposed to be
>>>>>
>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history class.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think
>>>>> the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England
>>>>> ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American
>>>>> history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but
>>>>> goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>
>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>> Representation
>>>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this one
>>>>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>>>>> like several of them.
>>>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it
>>>>> sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>>>> received:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>
>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>
>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>
>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>> Representation
>>>>>
>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>
>>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>
>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>
>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>
>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>
>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the original
>>>>> suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>
>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a
>>>>> ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for a
>>>>> majority! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one above
>>>>> is just a place to start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear in
>>>>> mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>> taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <erosamond at worldline.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist Sid
>>>>> Barron:
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>
>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision,
>>>>> that is the question!
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing so
>>>>> many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in the
>>>>> past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas, and
>>>>> use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>>>> message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for
>>>>> all voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>
>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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