[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 18:13:11 EDT 2017
Thank you Corliss.
Sharon
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> # 5
>
> Corliss
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My second round: 13, 5, 1, 7
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>
>>>
>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>
>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>
>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
>>> Proportional Representation
>>>
>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>
>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>> 60% Seats
>>> 100 Power
>>> Not Democracy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> Second Round!
>>>>
>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>
>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>
>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>
>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>
>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>>
>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>> 60% Seats
>>>> 100 Power
>>>> Not Democracy
>>>>
>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
>>>>> doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote
>>>>> and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>>>>> each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>>>>> are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>>>>> little on them. What to you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think
>>>>>>> the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England
>>>>>>> ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American
>>>>>>> history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but
>>>>>>> goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>>>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this
>>>>>>> one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>>>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>>>>>> received:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the
>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use
>>>>>>> a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for
>>>>>>> a majority! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one
>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear
>>>>>>> in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>> taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision,
>>>>>>> that is the question!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing
>>>>>>> so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in
>>>>>>> the past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas,
>>>>>>> and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>>>>>> message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for
>>>>>>> all voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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