[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Anita Nickerson anitann88 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 20:20:15 EDT 2017 

Okay, the winner is #5.

Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's what it
looks like now - screenshot below.

I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be all on
one line.

I can change the colour of the letters.

I can move the whole thing down.

 SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.

[image: Inline image 2]


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Corliss.
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> # 5
>>
>> Corliss
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>
>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>
>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>
>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>>
>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>          100 Power
>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>
>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>
>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>
>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>
>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>
>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>
>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>
>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't
>>>>>> imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of the vote
>>>>>> and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>>>>>> each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>>>>>> are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>>>>>> little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>>>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think
>>>>>>>> the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England
>>>>>>>> ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American
>>>>>>>> history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but
>>>>>>>> goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our preferred
>>>>>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this
>>>>>>>> one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use
>>>>>>>> a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look for
>>>>>>>> a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to bear
>>>>>>>> in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing
>>>>>>>> so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in
>>>>>>>> the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas,
>>>>>>>> and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for
>>>>>>>> all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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