[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Jennifer Ross 2jennross at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 21:09:14 EDT 2017 

You know your problem is you ask :)

I'd like demand and next line representation (do not make demand bigger
even though you could)
and then fair & on one line and proportional on the next.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Okay, the winner is #5.
>
> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's what
> it looks like now - screenshot below.
>
> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be all on
> one line.
>
> I can change the colour of the letters.
>
> I can move the whole thing down.
>
>  SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Corliss.
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> # 5
>>>
>>> Corliss
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>
>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>
>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>
>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>
>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't
>>>>>>> imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of the vote
>>>>>>> and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5
>>>>>>> of each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will buy them,
>>>>>>> what are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make
>>>>>>> a little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has
>>>>>>>>> a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I
>>>>>>>>> think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother
>>>>>>>>> England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this
>>>>>>>>> one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we
>>>>>>>>> reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us
>>>>>>>>> ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to
>>>>>>>>> make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could
>>>>>>>>> use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look
>>>>>>>>> for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to
>>>>>>>>> bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make
>>>>>>>>> our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in
>>>>>>>>> the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas,
>>>>>>>>> and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality
>>>>>>>>> for all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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