[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Donald Fraser donaldafraser at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 20:41:36 EDT 2017


Hi Jenn,

strange, isn't it? ... even our memberships are both prov and fed, so you'd
think Catherine would be enthusiastic about PR ... this is news to me as I
have never discussed it with her ... I have always found her to be polite
and graceful in any discussion, so perhaps it was her distraction with her
speech that made her abrupt (I hope). You are a valuable asset to the Party
with all your good instincts and political savvy, so I hope this isn't a
discouragement for you.

cheers,
Don


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On 26 July 2017 at 18:21, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Donald.  As you know, I've requested a meeting with Catherine regarding
> provincial PR.  I saw her at the CoC pharmacare event, and she literally
> walked away once she knew I meant provincial.
>
> To be fair, she was about to make a speech on an unrelated subject and it
> wasn't the time to discuss.
>
> However, I've not heard a thing from her office.
>
> So, it would be very great to know she supports PR even in her own House.
> But I'm not feeling the love.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Waterloo NDP are gearing up for Catherine Fife T shirts for the next
>> election and since we have been asked to join the NDP it might make sense
>> to engage to see if they would carry a PR message somewhere on the shirt
>> ... I realize Catherine is provincial and not federal and that PR is not a
>> big provincial issue but I think she supports it ... certainly worth
>> discussing.
>>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 12:34, Michael O'Brien <emandjayobrien at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like a large T-shirt.
>>>
>>> How much will it cost, how will it be delivered, method of payment?
>>>
>>> Mike O'Brien.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for organizing the t-shirt project. I am so looking forward to
>>>> wearing it and handing shirts out to my friends.
>>>> I think new t-shirts will help express our message and energize our
>>>> work toward achieving PR for Canada
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2017 10:51 PM, "Anita Nickerson" <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What we got for that price is white. I think they also had black but
>>>>> it was another $7 per shirt.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can have better shirts in future with colours or pictures - for
>>>>> now, we have something new :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Michael O'Brien <
>>>>> emandjayobrien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If possible I'd like an orange shirt with black or green lettering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike. O'Brien.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great. I want one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Jennifer Ross
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They've been ordered, you realize.  I think she got it perfect!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the demand for representation should be the same size as
>>>>>>>> fair and proportional.
>>>>>>>> Four lines is okay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Demand
>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>      Fair and
>>>>>>>>   Proportional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* STUART CHANDLER
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Anita Nickerson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If #5 is the winner, I suggest :
>>>>>>>> A large DEMAND at the top - to grab attention - (then people may be
>>>>>>>> moved to read the rest of the statement).
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Stu.
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>>>>>> *From: *Anita Nickerson
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:21 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, the winner is #5.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's
>>>>>>>> what it looks like now - screenshot below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be
>>>>>>>> all on one line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can change the colour of the letters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can move the whole thing down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Corliss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <
>>>>>>>>> cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # 5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corliss
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vote and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe 4/5 of each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy them, what are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make a little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shirt in block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, no problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history class.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were received:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and look for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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