[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Corliss Olson cpolson11 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 20:50:09 EDT 2017 

Hello,

I meant to send this to everyone.

I want to register a contrary opinion, re: t-shirts. As noted, proportional
representation is not a provincial issue, at least not yet. And just how
much do you think one t-shirt can do?

Joining forces is nearly always a good idea. I am wondering, though, about
"joining" a political party vs. maintaining a non-partisan stance.
(Although I think it is generally obvious where affiliations/sympathies
lie.)

When working with allies, it is also important to be mindful of very
different priorities amongst those allies. A provincial party - & t-shirt -
should focus on getting the desired candidate elected. Clarity & simplicity
with a message is crucial.

My perspective from several decades & many campaigns.

Thank you.
Corliss

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Donald.  As you know, I've requested a meeting with Catherine regarding
> provincial PR.  I saw her at the CoC pharmacare event, and she literally
> walked away once she knew I meant provincial.
>
> To be fair, she was about to make a speech on an unrelated subject and it
> wasn't the time to discuss.
>
> However, I've not heard a thing from her office.
>
> So, it would be very great to know she supports PR even in her own House.
> But I'm not feeling the love.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Waterloo NDP are gearing up for Catherine Fife T shirts for the next
>> election and since we have been asked to join the NDP it might make sense
>> to engage to see if they would carry a PR message somewhere on the shirt
>> ... I realize Catherine is provincial and not federal and that PR is not a
>> big provincial issue but I think she supports it ... certainly worth
>> discussing.
>>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 12:34, Michael O'Brien <emandjayobrien at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like a large T-shirt.
>>>
>>> How much will it cost, how will it be delivered, method of payment?
>>>
>>> Mike O'Brien.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for organizing the t-shirt project. I am so looking forward to
>>>> wearing it and handing shirts out to my friends.
>>>> I think new t-shirts will help express our message and energize our
>>>> work toward achieving PR for Canada
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2017 10:51 PM, "Anita Nickerson" <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What we got for that price is white. I think they also had black but
>>>>> it was another $7 per shirt.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can have better shirts in future with colours or pictures - for
>>>>> now, we have something new :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Michael O'Brien <
>>>>> emandjayobrien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If possible I'd like an orange shirt with black or green lettering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike. O'Brien.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great. I want one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Jennifer Ross
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They've been ordered, you realize.  I think she got it perfect!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the demand for representation should be the same size as
>>>>>>>> fair and proportional.
>>>>>>>> Four lines is okay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Demand
>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>      Fair and
>>>>>>>>   Proportional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* STUART CHANDLER
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Anita Nickerson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If #5 is the winner, I suggest :
>>>>>>>> A large DEMAND at the top - to grab attention - (then people may be
>>>>>>>> moved to read the rest of the statement).
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Stu.
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>>>>>> *From: *Anita Nickerson
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:21 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>> ‎
>>>>>>>> Okay, the winner is #5.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's
>>>>>>>> what it looks like now - screenshot below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be
>>>>>>>> all on one line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can change the colour of the letters.
>>>>>>>> ‎
>>>>>>>> I can move the whole thing down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Corliss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <
>>>>>>>>> cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # 5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corliss
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vote and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe 4/5 of each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy them, what are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make a little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shirt in block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, no problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history class.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were received:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and look for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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