[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Donald Fraser
donaldafraser at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 21:02:07 EDT 2017
It was just an idea ... probably we should forget it ... not a prov issue
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On 26 July 2017 at 20:50, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I meant to send this to everyone.
>
> I want to register a contrary opinion, re: t-shirts. As noted,
> proportional representation is not a provincial issue, at least not yet.
> And just how much do you think one t-shirt can do?
>
> Joining forces is nearly always a good idea. I am wondering, though, about
> "joining" a political party vs. maintaining a non-partisan stance.
> (Although I think it is generally obvious where affiliations/sympathies
> lie.)
>
> When working with allies, it is also important to be mindful of very
> different priorities amongst those allies. A provincial party - & t-shirt -
> should focus on getting the desired candidate elected. Clarity & simplicity
> with a message is crucial.
>
> My perspective from several decades & many campaigns.
>
> Thank you.
> Corliss
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Donald. As you know, I've requested a meeting with Catherine
>> regarding provincial PR. I saw her at the CoC pharmacare event, and she
>> literally walked away once she knew I meant provincial.
>>
>> To be fair, she was about to make a speech on an unrelated subject and it
>> wasn't the time to discuss.
>>
>> However, I've not heard a thing from her office.
>>
>> So, it would be very great to know she supports PR even in her own
>> House. But I'm not feeling the love.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Waterloo NDP are gearing up for Catherine Fife T shirts for the next
>>> election and since we have been asked to join the NDP it might make sense
>>> to engage to see if they would carry a PR message somewhere on the shirt
>>> ... I realize Catherine is provincial and not federal and that PR is not a
>>> big provincial issue but I think she supports it ... certainly worth
>>> discussing.
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 12:34, Michael O'Brien <emandjayobrien at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like a large T-shirt.
>>>>
>>>> How much will it cost, how will it be delivered, method of payment?
>>>>
>>>> Mike O'Brien.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Cathy Scott <
>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for organizing the t-shirt project. I am so looking forward to
>>>>> wearing it and handing shirts out to my friends.
>>>>> I think new t-shirts will help express our message and energize our
>>>>> work toward achieving PR for Canada
>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017 10:51 PM, "Anita Nickerson" <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What we got for that price is white. I think they also had black but
>>>>>> it was another $7 per shirt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can have better shirts in future with colours or pictures - for
>>>>>> now, we have something new :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Michael O'Brien <
>>>>>> emandjayobrien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If possible I'd like an orange shirt with black or green lettering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike. O'Brien.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great. I want one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Jennifer Ross
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They've been ordered, you realize. I think she got it perfect!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the demand for representation should be the same size as
>>>>>>>>> fair and proportional.
>>>>>>>>> Four lines is okay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Demand
>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>> Fair and
>>>>>>>>> Proportional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* STUART CHANDLER
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Anita Nickerson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If #5 is the winner, I suggest :
>>>>>>>>> A large DEMAND at the top - to grab attention - (then people may
>>>>>>>>> be moved to read the rest of the statement).
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> Stu.
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Anita Nickerson
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, the winner is #5.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing.
>>>>>>>>> Here's what it looks like now - screenshot below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be
>>>>>>>>> all on one line.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can change the colour of the letters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can move the whole thing down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Corliss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <
>>>>>>>>>> cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> # 5
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Corliss
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My second round: 13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back: Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the vote and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe 4/5 of each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy them, what are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make a little on them. What to you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/galle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ry/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heav
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shirt in block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, no problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history class.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... I think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mother England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "lacks", to make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were received:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could use a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and look for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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