[fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
John Cooper
johnco at golden.net
Sun Mar 12 18:50:29 EDT 2017
Oh, I am not surprised by any of her comments. As a long
time Liberal (Telegdi's assistant) and Cabinet member, she's
not going to go against the decision of the cabinet and
party!
For a few years I have known her through a volunteer
organization and never impressed me as being intelligent or
ethical.
The statement about "govern for all Canadians" is total BS.
Isn't that what they said during the election and thus the
need for eliminating FPTP?
Thanks for sharing this!
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Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
Hi all,
I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take
action where appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral
reform. A lot of what she was saying was basically talking
points, i.e., we need to govern for all Canadians, not just
people like you & me who are knowledgeable. Well, yes, but
if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the
government should launch an education campaign? She claims
that's what the new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical
about, but since I haven't read the bill, I wasn't able to
speak to the point. I did mention the new Local PR
initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on
the phone, but which turns up with a quick Google search.
She said she would look into it, and just in case she gets
stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm helpful
like that.
I'm concerned because she says that many constituents
approached her after the town halls, saying that they had
felt that FVC folks were very dismissive of opinions that
run counter to ours, and that instead of being brought in to
the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's
not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work
on, to be more welcoming and information-dispensing, and a
little less judgy. Many of us have been working on this for
years and years, and it can be easy to get impatient with
people who are just hearing about PR for the first time,
especially if they don't see the light right out of the
gate.
She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and
while most people they talked to advocated reform, once they
asked people what system they preferred, FPTP came out the
winner. I asked her if this survey and its results were
public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that
were asked, but she dodged that one.
She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca
survey. I may be reading more into her explanation than she
intended, but what I heard was that they deliberately didn't
ask any questions related to electoral reform because people
aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS
because they could have constructed questions that addressed
PR without using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her
guns that what they really cared about was people's values
(and "hard working people everywhere").
So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several
times that she herself was committed to electoral reform but
now that they're governing for all Canadians they need to
set personal preferences aside in favour of the greater good
yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the first
time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to
address issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm
doing well with a polite written PFO.
Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
Cheers,
Martha
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Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
Follow me @eleanor70001 .
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> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet not
much
> substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ...
so far
> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better
with PR". (I
> have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of
ammunition there!)
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> cheers,
> Don
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NO sooner
> did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
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> On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
<donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social
events ... so
>> far nothing about which I could tell her "it would go
better with
>> PR". (I have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots
of
>> ammunition there!)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Don
>>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
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> Good work Don!
>
> Best,
> Jon
> On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
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> NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
>
> On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
<donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social
events ... so
>> far nothing about which I could tell her "it would go
better with
>> PR". (I have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots
of
>> ammunition there!)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Don
>>
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