[fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger

Anita Nickerson anitann88 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 12 18:58:21 EDT 2017 

When Harper was elected in 2011 he said he'd govern for all Canadians.

I think Trump just said he'd be President for all Americans.

I think we know what that means by now.

The way to show you will govern for all Canadians is to give an effective
vote to all Canadians.

Anita

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:50 PM, John Cooper <johnco at golden.net> wrote:

> Oh, I am not surprised by any of her comments. As a long
> time Liberal (Telegdi's assistant) and Cabinet member, she's
> not going to go against the decision of the cabinet and
> party!
> For a few years I have known her through a volunteer
> organization and never impressed me as being intelligent or
> ethical.
>
> The statement about "govern for all Canadians" is total BS.
> Isn't that what they said during the election and thus the
> need for eliminating FPTP?
>
> Thanks for sharing this!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fvc-wat-disc
> [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On
> Behalf Of Martha Lauzon
> Sent: March-12-17 4:38 PM
> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take
> action where appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
>
> Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral
> reform. A lot of what she was saying was basically talking
> points, i.e., we need to govern for all Canadians, not just
> people like you & me who are knowledgeable. Well, yes, but
> if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the
> government should launch an education campaign? She claims
> that's what the new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical
> about, but since I haven't read the bill, I wasn't able to
> speak to the point. I did mention the new Local PR
> initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on
> the phone, but which turns up with a quick Google search.
> She said she would look into it, and just in case she gets
> stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm helpful
> like that.
>
> I'm concerned because she says that many constituents
> approached her after the town halls, saying that they had
> felt that FVC folks were very dismissive of opinions that
> run counter to ours, and that instead of being brought in to
> the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's
> not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work
> on, to be more welcoming and information-dispensing, and a
> little less judgy. Many of us have been working on this for
> years and years, and it can be easy to get impatient with
> people who are just hearing about PR for the first time,
> especially if they don't see the light right out of the
> gate.
>
> She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and
> while most people they talked to advocated reform, once they
> asked people what system they preferred, FPTP came out the
> winner. I asked her if this survey and its results were
> public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that
> were asked, but she dodged that one.
>
> She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca
> survey. I may be reading more into her explanation than she
> intended, but what I heard was that they deliberately didn't
> ask any questions related to electoral reform because people
> aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS
> because they could have constructed questions that addressed
> PR without using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her
> guns that what they really cared about was people's values
> (and "hard working people everywhere").
>
> So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several
> times that she herself was committed to electoral reform but
> now that they're governing for all Canadians they need to
> set personal preferences aside in favour of the greater good
> yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the first
> time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to
> address issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm
> doing well with a polite written PFO.
>
> Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Martha
>
>
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>    1. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (STUART CHANDLER)
>    2. Re: Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96,
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:02:06 -0500
> From: STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Fraser <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, FVC
> Waterloo
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> From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
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> Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
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> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
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> > Cc:
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:45:35 -0500
> > Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet not
> much
> > substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ...
> so far
> > nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better
> with PR". (I
> > have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of
> ammunition there!)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Don
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> > <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> NO sooner
> > did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
> <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social
> events ... so
> >> far nothing about which I could tell her "it would go
> better with
> >> PR". (I have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots
> of
> >> ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> > To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> >
> > Good work Don!
> >
> > Best,
> > Jon
> > On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
> >
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
> <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social
> events ... so
> >> far nothing about which I could tell her "it would go
> better with
> >> PR". (I have a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots
> of
> >> ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
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