[fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Sun Mar 12 18:58:13 EDT 2017
Hi Martha,
Great to hear about your conversation with Bardish. Thanks for letting us
know about it. It is always interesting to hear what Liberal MPs are saying
to justify breaking an important promise about democracy.
The week before last, 7 people met with Bardish at her office, generally
they reported similar conversations to the one that you had with her. She
wants you to think she cares about you and what you think, mainly she is
smoothing ruffled feathers hoping that you will support her re-election in
2019. Bardish supports electoral reform, what she doesn't say is that she
supports Alternative Vote which for PR supporters is as good as no change.
Bardish is a very smooth talker and when needed, she makes stuff up as she
goes depending on what she thinks the person in front of her needs to
hear. Such as the comments about FVC being dismissive toward people who
don't share our point of view. I can't speak for every PR supporter and
every conversation anyone has ever had but I can confidently say that any
conversation at a FVC information table or information evening is
respectful. That is just more made up stuff like when she told a PR
supporter that she thought that FVC educational material was way over the
heads of the average Cdn. or that the government had additional information
that we don't have that they used to make the decision on the direction of
electoral reform etc.. She has recently taken a strip off some people.
When she knows the talking points aren't going to work, she goes on the
offense and is quite offensive. Glad that you didn't get that treatment.
It would be great if Bardish called me, I would respect her for that but it
has been over 5 weeks since the announcement and no call.... not expecting
one at this point! :)
Thanks again Martha, appreciate your perspective.
All the best,
Sharon
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Martha Lauzon <mmlauzon at uwaterloo.ca>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take action where
> appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
>
> Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral reform. A lot of
> what she was saying was basically talking points, i.e., we need to govern
> for all Canadians, not just people like you & me who are knowledgeable.
> Well, yes, but if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the
> government should launch an education campaign? She claims that's what the
> new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical about, but since I haven't read
> the bill, I wasn't able to speak to the point. I did mention the new Local
> PR initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the phone, but
> which turns up with a quick Google search. She said she would look into it,
> and just in case she gets stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm
> helpful like that.
>
> I'm concerned because she says that many constituents approached her after
> the town halls, saying that they had felt that FVC folks were very
> dismissive of opinions that run counter to ours, and that instead of being
> brought in to the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's
> not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work on, to be more
> welcoming and information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of us
> have been working on this for years and years, and it can be easy to get
> impatient with people who are just hearing about PR for the first time,
> especially if they don't see the light right out of the gate.
>
> She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and while most
> people they talked to advocated reform, once they asked people what system
> they preferred, FPTP came out the winner. I asked her if this survey and
> its results were public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that
> were asked, but she dodged that one.
>
> She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca survey. I may be
> reading more into her explanation than she intended, but what I heard was
> that they deliberately didn't ask any questions related to electoral reform
> because people aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS
> because they could have constructed questions that addressed PR without
> using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her guns that what they really
> cared about was people's values (and "hard working people everywhere").
>
> So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several times that she
> herself was committed to electoral reform but now that they're governing
> for all Canadians they need to set personal preferences aside in favour of
> the greater good yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the
> first time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to address
> issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well with a
> polite written PFO.
>
> Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Martha
>
>
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> 1. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (STUART CHANDLER)
> 2. Re: Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10)
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:02:06 -0500
> From: STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Fraser <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, FVC Waterloo
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> From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
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> Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:45:35 -0500
> > Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> > nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> > a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Don
> >
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> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> > To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
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> > Good work Don!
> >
> > Best,
> > Jon
> > On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
> >
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
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