[fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger

Sun Mar 12 22:21:34 EDT 2017

well done, Martha

On 12 March 2017 at 22:15, STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Martha.
> Great to hear your points & experience with Bardish.
> ‎I can appreciate that you'd be frustrated with someone claiming
> commitment to electoral reform, yet not pursuing it " for the greater good"
> of all Canadians. I'm certain that anyone so committed would in fact be
> convinced that the greater good of all would be served by proceding with ER.
> As it was she who called you, she'd make sur she had all her rhetoric in
> order before picking up the phone. Hard to deal with that level of
> preperation.
> Nice work. And thanks again.
> Best regards.
> Stu.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>   Original Message
> From: Martha Lauzon
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:39 PM
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> Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take action where
> appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
>
> Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral reform. A lot of
> what she was saying was basically talking points, i.e., we need to govern
> for all Canadians, not just people like you & me who are knowledgeable.
> Well, yes, but if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the
> government should launch an education campaign? She claims that's what the
> new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical about, but since I haven't read
> the bill, I wasn't able to speak to the point. I did mention the new Local
> PR initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the phone, but
> which turns up with a quick Google search. She said she would look into it,
> and just in case she gets stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm
> helpful like that.
>
> I'm concerned because she says that many constituents approached her after
> the town halls, saying that they had felt that FVC folks were very
> dismissive of opinions that run counter to ours, and that instead of being
> brought in to the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's
> not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work on, to be more
> welcoming and information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of us
> have been working on this for years and years, and it can be easy to get
> impatient with people who are just hearing about PR for the first time,
> especially if they don't see the light right out of the gate.
>
> She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and while most
> people they talked to advocated reform, once they asked people what system
> they preferred, FPTP came out the winner. I asked her if this survey and
> its results were public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that
> were asked, but she dodged that one.
>
> She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca survey. I may be
> reading more into her explanation than she intended, but what I heard was
> that they deliberately didn't ask any questions related to electoral reform
> because people aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS
> because they could have constructed questions that addressed PR without
> using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her guns that what they really
> cared about was people's values (and "hard working people everywhere").
>
> So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several times that she
> herself was committed to electoral reform but now that they're governing
> for all Canadians they need to set personal preferences aside in favour of
> the greater good yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the
> first time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to address
> issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well with a
> polite written PFO.
>
> Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
>
> Cheers,‎
> Martha
>
>
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> 1. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (STUART CHANDLER)
> 2. Re: Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10)
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:02:06 -0500
> From: STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Fraser <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, FVC Waterloo
> Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
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> From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol
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> Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
> Follow me @eleanor70001 .
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> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:45:35 -0500
> > Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> > nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> > a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Don
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> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> > To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> > Cc:
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
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> > Good work Don!
> >
> > Best,
> > Jon
> > On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
> >
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
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