[fvc-wat-disc] Liberals on PR ~ Bardish Chagger & Raj Saini
Laurel L. Russwurm
laurel.l at russwurm.org
Wed Mar 15 02:01:27 EDT 2017
Videos can only go viral if people share them.
Bardish has not done what she personally promised re PR, not even
close. Raj either. And we have video on both you can watch before
talking to your MP.
I've just posted another soundbite from the 2015 All Candidates Meeting
(1 minute video)
PR4Canada: Bardish Chagger ~ Representation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEsxsekJ6I
Bardish Chagger: 4 Questions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUOn9pi5Lc
and
Bardish Chagger: an Electoral System based on the Principle of Fairness
(just under 5 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE6lyNJrl6U&t=5s There's also
Raj Saini on Proportional Representation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAUTMXRPnc&t=449s
The video from the three FVC All Candidates meetings all the candidates
expressed support for PR, all were on the same side. (Probably part of
why there were no such events in Cambridge or Kit-SH>
Bardish talks about how interested people were at the door, how crowded
in the event.
Bardish and Raj both talk about the consultation, how it should be
done. They did not do it that way.
Every LPC MP in WR was asked to make sure the ERRE Committee came here.
It did not.
Monsef did, and all 4 LPC MPs used that as their consultation. It
should have been as well as, not instead of.
There was little or no advertising done for Monsef, all the dates were
last minute, so people couldn't plan.
The LPC did NOT do a good job of consulting. Every LPC MP needed to
host at LEAST one (better more) consultation events.
Blaming the failure of the consultation on Canadians is bushwah.
Share the videos. They can still have PR in place in time if they move
fast. If not, it is important that people are informed before the next
election, and we really want them to remember this, so share the videos :)
Regards,
Laurel
On 03/12/2017 10:21 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
> well done, Martha
>
> On 12 March 2017 at 22:15, STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com
> <mailto:stuchandler43 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Martha.
> Great to hear your points & experience with Bardish.
> I can appreciate that you'd be frustrated with someone claiming
> commitment to electoral reform, yet not pursuing it " for the
> greater good" of all Canadians. I'm certain that anyone so
> committed would in fact be convinced that the greater good of all
> would be served by proceding with ER.
> As it was she who called you, she'd make sur she had all her
> rhetoric in order before picking up the phone. Hard to deal with
> that level of preperation.
> Nice work. And thanks again.
> Best regards.
> Stu.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
> Original Message
> From: Martha Lauzon
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:39 PM
> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take action
> where appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
>
> Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral reform. A
> lot of what she was saying was basically talking points, i.e., we
> need to govern for all Canadians, not just people like you & me
> who are knowledgeable. Well, yes, but if you see a problem with a
> lack of knowledge, perhaps the government should launch an
> education campaign? She claims that's what the new bill C33 does,
> which I was skeptical about, but since I haven't read the bill, I
> wasn't able to speak to the point. I did mention the new Local PR
> initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the
> phone, but which turns up with a quick Google search. She said she
> would look into it, and just in case she gets stuck, I'm about to
> send her a link. Because I'm helpful like that.
>
> I'm concerned because she says that many constituents approached
> her after the town halls, saying that they had felt that FVC folks
> were very dismissive of opinions that run counter to ours, and
> that instead of being brought in to the conversation, they felt
> driven away. Assuming that she's not making this up, perhaps this
> is something we could work on, to be more welcoming and
> information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of us have
> been working on this for years and years, and it can be easy to
> get impatient with people who are just hearing about PR for the
> first time, especially if they don't see the light right out of
> the gate.
>
> She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and while
> most people they talked to advocated reform, once they asked
> people what system they preferred, FPTP came out the winner. I
> asked her if this survey and its results were public, because I'd
> LOVE to see the actual questions that were asked, but she dodged
> that one.
>
> She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca
> <http://mydemocracy.ca> survey. I may be reading more into her
> explanation than she intended, but what I heard was that they
> deliberately didn't ask any questions related to electoral reform
> because people aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that
> that was BS because they could have constructed questions that
> addressed PR without using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to
> her guns that what they really cared about was people's values
> (and "hard working people everywhere").
>
> So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several times
> that she herself was committed to electoral reform but now that
> they're governing for all Canadians they need to set personal
> preferences aside in favour of the greater good yada yada yada. I
> *am* impressed, because this is the first time in my 40-odd years
> that my MP has chosen to call me to address issues that I've
> contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well with a polite
> written PFO.
>
> Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Martha
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: fvc-wat-disc [fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org>] on behalf of
> fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org>
> [fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org>]
> Sent: March 12, 2017 12:00 PM
> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Subject: fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 11
>
> Send fvc-wat-disc mailing list submissions to
> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org>
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org>
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> fvc-wat-disc-owner at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-owner at listserv.thinkers.org>
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of fvc-wat-disc digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (STUART CHANDLER)
> 2. Re: Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10)
> (Eleanor Grant)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:02:06 -0500
> From: STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com
> <mailto:stuchandler43 at gmail.com>>
> To: Donald Fraser <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>>, FVC Waterloo
> Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> Message-ID: <20170312000206.6107221.43418.12964 at gmail.com
> <mailto:20170312000206.6107221.43418.12964 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20170311/963b74d2/attachment-0001.html
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20170311/963b74d2/attachment-0001.html>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:31:55 -0500
> From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com
> <mailto:eleanor7000 at gmail.com>>
> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol
> 96, Issue 10)
> Message-ID:
> <CAEYE8EB4=WJ0Ac_Xn3zsryTdGLzJu67SesEy_d7quwwt8z0V8w at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:WJ0Ac_Xn3zsryTdGLzJu67SesEy_d7quwwt8z0V8w at mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
> Follow me @eleanor70001 .
>
>
> On 11 Mar 2017 18:13, <fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org>> wrote:
>
> > Send fvc-wat-disc mailing list submissions to
> > fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_>
> > listserv.thinkers.org <http://listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request at listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > fvc-wat-disc-owner at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc-owner at listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of fvc-wat-disc digest..."
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (Donald Fraser)
> > 2. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (Donald Fraser)
> > 3. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (Jon Bathmaker)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com
> <mailto:donaldafraser at gmail.com>>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:45:35 -0500
> > Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events
> ... so far
> > nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with
> PR". (I have
> > a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Don
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com
> <mailto:donaldafraser at gmail.com>>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
> <donaldafraser at gmail.com <mailto:donaldafraser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events
> ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with
> PR". (I have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com
> <mailto:jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>>
> > To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> >
> > Good work Don!
> >
> > Best,
> > Jon
> > On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
> >
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser
> <donaldafraser at gmail.com <mailto:donaldafraser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events
> ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with
> PR". (I have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> > Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> > Unsubscribe:
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> > Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> > Unsubscribe:
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_>
> > listserv.thinkers.org <http://listserv.thinkers.org>
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20170311/399ee429/attachment-0001.html
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20170311/399ee429/attachment-0001.html>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 11
> ********************************************
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> <mailto:fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
> <http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list
> Post a message: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> Unsubscribe: http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
♦ *Laurel L. Russwurm, Author <http://laurel.russwurm.org/blogs/>* ♦
*Libreleft Books* <http://libreleft.com> ♦ *Laurel L. Russwurm's Free
Culture Blog <https://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/>* ♦ *Libreleft
Pictures*
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL66aOelRZ1qtZ49PbicKRQC-OgAXPUhNz>
♦ *Whoa!Canada <https://whoacanada.wordpress.com/>* ♦ *visual laurel*
<http://laurelrusswurm.tumblr.com/> ♦ *on Flickr
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/laurelrusswurm/albums/>* ♦
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.thinkers.org/pipermail/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org/attachments/20170315/71f6a11e/attachment-0002.htm>
More information about the fvc-wat-disc
mailing list