[fvc-wat-disc] "STV"

Sun Oct 14 22:36:45 EDT 2018

Good. I don't feel stupid. Neither Doug nor I have heard of that one.
I was worried it was contagious.

Seriously, I think at least once in an email words should be used -- unless
the list is only for the initiated.
Corliss

On Sun, Oct 14, 2018, 9:57 PM Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not idiotic.... STV is Single Transferable Vote.... you can see why it
> goes by STV! :)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 9:48 PM Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sharon,
>>
>> I don't generally think of myself as terribly thick, but the acronyms on
>> this list drive me nuts. I have to wrack my brain when I read all the
>> initials, so if that's me, I venture others may have similar struggles.
>> Maybe not the folks on the list, but anyone beyond for sure.
>>
>> That said, what the heck is STV? I just called out to Doug, too, & he
>> said, "I have no idea." I know as soon as you tell me, I'll say, "Of
>> course, now I feel like an idiot," but there you are. Idiot it is.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Corliss
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 9:15 PM Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>> You are being most open minded toward Karen.  My thinking is based on a
>>> specific conversation about RB she & I had a couple of years ago in which
>>> she clearly stated her support for RB.  I pointed out that in an election
>>> for 4 seats in a single jurisdiction such the election for regional
>>> councillors here in Waterloo Region, RB would become STV.  At the time,
>>> she said she would be okay with that.  As a long time Liberal politician,
>>> she might well support ranked ballots.
>>>
>>> We often expect experienced politicians to know about electoral systems
>>> and many don't.  Karen may not even have known what I was referring to when
>>> I said RB would become STV, but as an experienced politician she went
>>> with the flow.  In this most current situation on Reddit, she
>>> homogenized the issue and then did a pivot.   A classic political move to
>>> not be pinned down by any definitive position.
>>>
>>> On another occasion she asked me why do we need electoral reform?  Her
>>> point being that FPTP is fine.  It is a bit hard to say what Karen
>>> thinks about electoral reform but we can be fairly certain that it isn't
>>> very high on her list of priorities.  In fact she stated during this
>>> campaign that she doesn't have any priorities and will be guided by what
>>> the electorate wants...  uh huh.... right... listen I have some land here,
>>> looks a bit like a swamp at the moment but it is for sale and the LRT is
>>> going to be going right by here....
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:51 PM Jonathan Cassels <cassels.jon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be fair to Karen, I only asked about Ranked Ballots. For all I know,
>>>> she was coy about ranked ballots because she actually favours STV locally,
>>>> but didn't want to say so without knowing the opinions of the questioner.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that Rob Deutschmann is the regional chair candidate who's been
>>>> most vocal in supporting election reform, though. When Yes, Cambridge!
>>>> posted a pledge on twitter yesterday (asking all Cambridge candidates to
>>>> sign on to support ranked ballots municipally), he commented:
>>>>
>>>> I voted yes for ranked ballots. If elected I pledge that I will do what
>>>> I can as Regional Chair to support the upper and lower tier municipal
>>>> efforts to introduce ranked ballots for the 2022 municipal elections.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, no one specifically solicited Rob for that comment.
>>>> He was paying attention to the local effort to bring in ranked ballots
>>>> himself (even though he's running at a different level) and pledged his
>>>> support to bring in ranked ballots at that level.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 15:00, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also disappointing that she is talking about mandatory voting,
>>>>> something nobody is considering. She is creating a distraction & red
>>>>> herring issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not great for us if she is elected.  Rob Deutschmann would be a better
>>>>> choice for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that's not good.  In the past, we have discussed with Karen the
>>>>>> Regional issue that it would be STV and she's been very happy to support
>>>>>> that.  Nothing said here about the proportional aspects of ranked ballots
>>>>>> in the Regional context.  Disappointing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>> Bookkeeping Services
>>>>>> 519-501-2736
>>>>>> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political
>>>>>> power in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime
>>>>>> Minister.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 1:17 PM Jonathan Cassels <
>>>>>> cassels.jon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen Redman did an AMA on Reddit today, and I asked her about
>>>>>>> ranked ballots in Cambridge and whether she'd be open to adopting it at the
>>>>>>> regional level. I thought you all might like to see her answer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a real appeal for the ranked ballot system and knowing that
>>>>>>> whoever represents us at the Regional level will have received 50% or more
>>>>>>> of the vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Voter turnout is alarmingly low normally citing between 30-40% for
>>>>>>> Municipal Elections. Local elections matter because the decisions made at
>>>>>>> Regional Council impact you, your family and business almost immediately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am in favour of finding a way to get more voters engaged in local
>>>>>>> elections. Maybe ranked ballots could be considered as part of a larger
>>>>>>> electoral reform package similar to Australia's where there is mandatory
>>>>>>> voting? Anyone who does not vote is fined through the tax system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look forward to seeing the results of the referendum in Cambridge
>>>>>>> and continuing the conversation.
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