[fvc-wat-disc] GREEN-NDP alliance?

[Kevin Smith]

Ok lively discussion lol!

Good points raised.  Jason Kenney's kamikaze candidate shows the pitfalls
of allowing collaboration.

If only there were true accountability for keeping election promises and
agreements.

I don't know why people don't see the benefits of PR.  How many times do we
have to lose before we win?

Kevin.




On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:37 PM Anita Nickerson, <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't really blame Fuhr for voting no to that particular motion.
>
> What I do blame him for is not doing anything else.
>
> When you promise to be an advocate for PR in Parliament, what does that
> mean? You say later you had a nice conversation with someone in the
> bathroom?
>
> He had 4 years to do something meaningful to honour that agreement.
>
> Anita
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:30 AM Matthew Piggott <
> piggott.matthew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, these sort of discussions are exactly why we need electoral reform.
>>
>> In terms of the agreement out west, in addition to the items Jonathan
>> mentioned, I do note that the Liberal who was on the receiving end of the "
>> "pre-election alliance" didn't even bother to vote in favour of the ERRE
>> committee report. These deals are suspect to me in principle, and that
>> action absolutely took it off the table.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Matthew Piggott
>>
>> El mar., 30 abr. 2019 a las 11:03, David dirks (<daviddirks at rogers.com>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Is this not why we need/want electoral reform so as not to be in a
>>> position like this?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 9:08:24 AM EDT, Jonathan Cassels <
>>> cassels.jon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> None at all, in my opinion. They can't merge, the Green constitution
>>> makes that virtually impossible, as it requires 90% support and a majority
>>> vote at a party convention -- something they don't have time to do before
>>> the election, even if they had a hope of passing. By law, they can't
>>> coordinate during the election. And I'm unsure what a "pre-election
>>> alliance" would look like. They both advocate for environmental policy and
>>> election reform today, saying "We are now allied in advocating for the
>>> things we already advocated for" doesn't really change the status quo.
>>>
>>> In theory, Green local riding associations (which have *way* more
>>> freedom than the NDP equivalent) could individually opt not to run
>>> candidates in this election. There was one out west somewhere who chose to
>>> do that in 2015 to help the ABC movement. But that can't be coordinated,
>>> and it's unclear that a majority of Green supporters would go to the NDP in
>>> most ridings.
>>>
>>> The Maclean's article is a cynical attempt to collect clicks by arguing
>>> in favour of something which has some surface level appeal, but which the
>>> author knows is a practical impossibility.
>>>
>>> Unless there's some manner in which the parties could help one another
>>> which I haven't thought of?
>>>
>>> On Tue., Apr. 30, 2019, 7:09 a.m. Kevin Smith, <kevedsmith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So an article in Maclean's is saying that NDP and Greens combined would
>>> win a large number of seats, and hold whoever wins to a minority.
>>>
>>> I know the parties have major differences, but a pre-election alliance
>>> around Green New Deal and electoral reform would have potential, no?
>>>
>>> Kevin.
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