[fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR

Wed Nov 27 07:53:16 EST 2019

November 27, 2019

I support electoral reform because our democracy is broken.

it is not so much that democracy is broken in that it; rather our political
systems are not able to cope with our present realities.

I am anxious our experiment with democracy may fail if our political
systems do not continue to evolve:

(I am anxious that our experiment with humankind may fail eh).

I remain hopeful, however, and believe as a Canadian there is a role for
Canada.

For example:

At one time in the geographical area of Canada person needed to be a
significant landowner to have a voice,

Then there was the early 1920's when women in Canada were declared persons
and allowed to have a voice by secret ballet.

It was not until 1960 that our indigenous hosts got the right to vote in
Canadian elections.

>Furthermore: IF we had a  mixed form of proportional representation in the
last Federal election our Right Honourable Trudeau would have had some
elected MP's from Western Canada for form his cabinet eh?.

Best regards and sincerely,
Myron Daniel Steinman
N2G 5A1

Finally to paraphrase our current Prime Minister of Canada; After all it is
2019.

And lastly; the issues we face our too complex, and require the buy in of
all our residents, now and present...and indeed the past as well yes?

Lastly we have the technology to enable us to have a mixed form of
proportional representation with Confederation.

But what we are asking form is a "Citizens Assembly"...democracies need to
continue to evolve eh.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:44 AM Peter KH via fvc-wat-disc <
fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:

> At the risk of stating the obvious, I think that it would be helpful to
> ask Raj "what can we do to change your mind?" (assuming that he has not
> recently changed his mind)
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> For the card, here's why I support electoral reform: "I support electoral
> reform because strategic voting stifles civic debate. I don't want the next
> election to be again about deficits vs austerity (We no longer have the
> luxury of government inaction being OK with the pending climate crisis and
> the pending jobs crisis due to automation)"
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> - Peter K
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> On Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM, Anita Nickerson < anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It's okay, Raj's office now says that he can't meet off site till January
> (probably it was about 5 minutes away from his office to Sam's condo, but
> whatever ): and only 7 could fit in his office.
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> The group that booked the visit are going to tomorrow as a small group to
> his office. When I get a report I'll send to Cathy.
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> Everyone else who signed up from Kitchener Centre, I asked if they would
> mind writing a short note to Raj that the organizer can print tonight and
> take about why this is important to them. About three people have, which is
> great.
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> Everyone else, I encouraged them to be in touch with the local chapter if
> they want to get involved, as you will be talking about if/when to visit
> Raj again.
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> *It was wonderful to have about 15 people signed up to go tomorrow!!*
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> Your campaign made an impression on Raj. He only won with 36% of the vote.
> The best thing is if he sees that we're not slinking away into a dark
> corner because Liberals have declared this dead, that a 2023 local campaign
> could be even bigger :).
>
> Anita
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> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM Mary Jackes <mkj at bell.net> wrote:
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>> We've been to see Raj three times about this and that.  He knows we're
>> not from Kitchener Centre.
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>> Mary
>> On 2019-11-26 11:56 a.m., Dave Arthur wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
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>> I’m not in Kitchener Centre but am in Waterloo.
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>> How many do you have for Wednesday morning with Raj?
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>> I would be available and I doubt that he would know me as not in his
>> riding.
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>> Dave A
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>> *From: *Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:44 PM
>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR
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>> I live in Waterloo not Kitchener Centre, and I’m giving a speech to my
>> Toastmaster’s International club at that time. What about inviting
>> Conservatives who now, according to the poll sent to the Fair Vote list,
>> are 70 percent in favour of electoral reform. They see how first past the
>> post gave the Trudeau Liberals far more seats than the Conservatives
>> despite the Liberals attracting one percent fewer  votes.  Cathe Campbell
>>  PS Christmas party will help Fair Vote members to network, team build and
>> talk politics
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>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>> <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hey everyone!
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>> *WE NEED PEOPLE FROM KITCHENER CENTRE TO ATTEND A MEETING WITH RAJ ON
>> WEDNESDAY AT 11:30*
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>> The idea is to assemble as large a group as possible. Think of it as the
>> "cure Raj of apathy" initiative - may require multiple treatments ;)
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>> Theses visits are happening now across the country. The favourite line of
>> the Liberal MPs is that nobody cares about this, it's dead in the Liberal
>> party blah blah. We must push back (nicely, but persisently).
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>> In this riding we've taken the optimistic step of *hoping that we can
>> assemble quite a few people!* (If that doesn't happen, we only look
>> mildly like losers :). It was one of those judgement calls - the room for 7
>> or the room for 20? So we went with 20. If they could get 13 people in
>> Toronto Danforth and possibly 19 people in the little town of Gibsons, BC,
>> let's see what we can do here in Kitchener Centre. But we'll need your help!
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>> *If you can join a meeting with Raj on Wednesday November 27 at 11:30 AM
>> please email me!!*
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>> A local supporter has agreed to book a room in her condo that can fit
>> more than his campaign office and he is to meet us there (providing he
>> doesn't cancel the last minute).
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>> If you haven't visited Raj before, and he wouldn't recognize you as one
>> of the key organizers of our door hanger/flyer/ad campaign, that is even
>> better.
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>> If you have a spouse or friend who is supportive of this cause and might
>> like to attend and can spare the 30 minutes, invite them. (And let me know
>> who to expect and how to contact them).
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>> Hope to hear from any of you in Kitchener Centre who can attend - feel
>> free to email off list.
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>> We will be talking to Raj about why a National Citizens' Assembly on
>> Electoral Reform <https://nationalcitizensassembly.ca/> to take this out
>> of the hands of politicians a good idea :)
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>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello Everyone,
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>> This past week we learned that the Trudeau government did not appoint a
>> minister to the portfolio of Democratic Institutions thereby disbanding the
>> ministry and all pretense of being interested in the democratic process.
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>> The Angus Reid Institute released a poll which indicated that support for
>> PR has skyrocketed since our recent federal election particularly among
>> Conservative supporters.
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>> http://angusreid.org/electoral-reform-trend/
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>> The CBC just released archival footage of former Prime MInister, Pierre
>> Trudeau stating his view that Canada should move on the recommendations of
>> the Pepin-Robarts Commission report (1977) and institute proportional
>> representation.  Trudeau makes some excellent points!
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>> https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-pierre-trudeau-said-canada-needed-proportional-representation-1.5358177
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>> Our monthly meeting is this Wed. evening at 7 pm at the Civic Hub.  Jay
>> Judkowitz & David Dirks will give a presentation on the work of PR4PR, a
>> Toronto based group that presents the need for proportional representation
>> in a different framework.  The Civic Hub is in the lower level of St.
>> John's Anglican Church, 23 Water Street in Kitchener.  Entrance is on Duke
>> Street.
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>> And, a large group of fair vote supporters is to visit with Raj Saini
>> this Wed. at 11:30.  So large a group that a larger space is needed.  If
>> you would like to attend and want more details please contact Anita
>> Nickerson at:
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>> anita.nickerson at fairvote.ca
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>> All the best,
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>> Sharon
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>> Chapter Co-Chair
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