[fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR

Wed Nov 27 15:02:12 EST 2019

Hope the Kitchener meeting went well! I'm in Waterloo, so meeting with
Bardish is where I can be most effective if/when meetings are happening
here. :)

SJM
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 08:22, Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> It would be brilliant if you could make an appointment with him as a
> constituent to ask him that question.
>
> When I met with him a couple of weeks ago, it seemed as if he had changed
> his mind & no longer supported PR or electoral reform....he challenged me
> to name one country that is working well that uses PR.
>
> More constituents in his office stating that they support and want their
> government to take action on electoral reform might be the thing to change
> his mind back to supporting PR.
>
> Kind regards,
> S.
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> November 27, 2019
>>
>> I support electoral reform because our democracy is broken.
>>
>> it is not so much that democracy is broken in that it; rather our
>> political systems are not able to cope with our present realities.
>>
>> I am anxious our experiment with democracy may fail if our political
>> systems do not continue to evolve:
>>
>> (I am anxious that our experiment with humankind may fail eh).
>>
>> I remain hopeful, however, and believe as a Canadian there is a role for
>> Canada.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> At one time in the geographical area of Canada person needed to be a
>> significant landowner to have a voice,
>>
>> Then there was the early 1920's when women in Canada were declared
>> persons and allowed to have a voice by secret ballet.
>>
>> It was not until 1960 that our indigenous hosts got the right to vote in
>> Canadian elections.
>>
>> >Furthermore: IF we had a  mixed form of proportional representation in
>> the last Federal election our Right Honourable Trudeau would have had some
>> elected MP's from Western Canada for form his cabinet eh?.
>>
>> Best regards and sincerely,
>> Myron Daniel Steinman
>> N2G 5A1
>>
>> Finally to paraphrase our current Prime Minister of Canada; After all it
>> is 2019.
>>
>> And lastly; the issues we face our too complex, and require the buy in of
>> all our residents, now and present...and indeed the past as well yes?
>>
>> Lastly we have the technology to enable us to have a mixed form of
>> proportional representation with Confederation.
>>
>> But what we are asking form is a "Citizens Assembly"...democracies need
>> to continue to evolve eh.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:44 AM Peter KH via fvc-wat-disc <
>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> At the risk of stating the obvious, I think that it would be helpful to
>>> ask Raj "what can we do to change your mind?" (assuming that he has not
>>> recently changed his mind)
>>>
>>> For the card, here's why I support electoral reform: "I support
>>> electoral reform because strategic voting stifles civic debate. I don't
>>> want the next election to be again about deficits vs austerity (We no
>>> longer have the luxury of government inaction being OK with the pending
>>> climate crisis and the pending jobs crisis due to automation)"
>>>
>>> - Peter K
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM, Anita Nickerson < anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It's okay, Raj's office now says that he can't meet off site till
>>> January (probably it was about 5 minutes away from his office to Sam's
>>> condo, but whatever ): and only 7 could fit in his office.
>>>
>>> The group that booked the visit are going to tomorrow as a small group
>>> to his office. When I get a report I'll send to Cathy.
>>>
>>> Everyone else who signed up from Kitchener Centre, I asked if they would
>>> mind writing a short note to Raj that the organizer can print tonight and
>>> take about why this is important to them. About three people have, which is
>>> great.
>>>
>>> Everyone else, I encouraged them to be in touch with the local chapter
>>> if they want to get involved, as you will be talking about if/when to visit
>>> Raj again.
>>>
>>> *It was wonderful to have about 15 people signed up to go tomorrow!!*
>>>
>>> Your campaign made an impression on Raj. He only won with 36% of the
>>> vote. The best thing is if he sees that we're not slinking away into a dark
>>> corner because Liberals have declared this dead, that a 2023 local campaign
>>> could be even bigger :).
>>>
>>> Anita
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM Mary Jackes <mkj at bell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've been to see Raj three times about this and that.  He knows we're
>>>> not from Kitchener Centre.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>> On 2019-11-26 11:56 a.m., Dave Arthur wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I’m not in Kitchener Centre but am in Waterloo.
>>>>
>>>> How many do you have for Wednesday morning with Raj?
>>>>
>>>> I would be available and I doubt that he would know me as not in his
>>>> riding.
>>>>
>>>> Dave A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:44 PM
>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I live in Waterloo not Kitchener Centre, and I’m giving a speech to my
>>>> Toastmaster’s International club at that time. What about inviting
>>>> Conservatives who now, according to the poll sent to the Fair Vote list,
>>>> are 70 percent in favour of electoral reform. They see how first past the
>>>> post gave the Trudeau Liberals far more seats than the Conservatives
>>>> despite the Liberals attracting one percent fewer  votes.  Cathe Campbell
>>>>  PS Christmas party will help Fair Vote members to network, team build and
>>>> talk politics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>> <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Hey everyone!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *WE NEED PEOPLE FROM KITCHENER CENTRE TO ATTEND A MEETING WITH RAJ ON
>>>> WEDNESDAY AT 11:30*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to assemble as large a group as possible. Think of it as
>>>> the "cure Raj of apathy" initiative - may require multiple treatments ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Theses visits are happening now across the country. The favourite line
>>>> of the Liberal MPs is that nobody cares about this, it's dead in the
>>>> Liberal party blah blah. We must push back (nicely, but persisently).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this riding we've taken the optimistic step of *hoping that we can
>>>> assemble quite a few people!* (If that doesn't happen, we only look
>>>> mildly like losers :). It was one of those judgement calls - the room for 7
>>>> or the room for 20? So we went with 20. If they could get 13 people in
>>>> Toronto Danforth and possibly 19 people in the little town of Gibsons, BC,
>>>> let's see what we can do here in Kitchener Centre. But we'll need your help!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *If you can join a meeting with Raj on Wednesday November 27 at 11:30
>>>> AM please email me!!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A local supporter has agreed to book a room in her condo that can fit
>>>> more than his campaign office and he is to meet us there (providing he
>>>> doesn't cancel the last minute).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you haven't visited Raj before, and he wouldn't recognize you as one
>>>> of the key organizers of our door hanger/flyer/ad campaign, that is even
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have a spouse or friend who is supportive of this cause and
>>>> might like to attend and can spare the 30 minutes, invite them. (And let me
>>>> know who to expect and how to contact them).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope to hear from any of you in Kitchener Centre who can attend - feel
>>>> free to email off list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will be talking to Raj about why a National Citizens' Assembly on
>>>> Electoral Reform <https://nationalcitizensassembly.ca/> to take this
>>>> out of the hands of politicians a good idea :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anita
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>>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This past week we learned that the Trudeau government did not appoint a
>>>> minister to the portfolio of Democratic Institutions thereby disbanding the
>>>> ministry and all pretense of being interested in the democratic process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Angus Reid Institute released a poll which indicated that support
>>>> for PR has skyrocketed since our recent federal election particularly among
>>>> Conservative supporters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://angusreid.org/electoral-reform-trend/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The CBC just released archival footage of former Prime MInister, Pierre
>>>> Trudeau stating his view that Canada should move on the recommendations of
>>>> the Pepin-Robarts Commission report (1977) and institute proportional
>>>> representation.  Trudeau makes some excellent points!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-pierre-trudeau-said-canada-needed-proportional-representation-1.5358177
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our monthly meeting is this Wed. evening at 7 pm at the Civic Hub.  Jay
>>>> Judkowitz & David Dirks will give a presentation on the work of PR4PR, a
>>>> Toronto based group that presents the need for proportional representation
>>>> in a different framework.  The Civic Hub is in the lower level of St.
>>>> John's Anglican Church, 23 Water Street in Kitchener.  Entrance is on Duke
>>>> Street.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, a large group of fair vote supporters is to visit with Raj Saini
>>>> this Wed. at 11:30.  So large a group that a larger space is needed.  If
>>>> you would like to attend and want more details please contact Anita
>>>> Nickerson at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> anita.nickerson at fairvote.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> Chapter Co-Chair
>>>>
>>>> FVC-WR
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