[fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR

Wed Nov 27 17:51:37 EST 2019

Hi Stephanie,

I will raise your name when we ask for volunteers to meet with Bardish.

With thanks,
Sharon

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:02 PM Stephanie Janzen-Martin <
stephanie at janzenmartin.net> wrote:

> Hope the Kitchener meeting went well! I'm in Waterloo, so meeting with
> Bardish is where I can be most effective if/when meetings are happening
> here. :)
>
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> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 08:22, Sharon Sommerville <
> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> It would be brilliant if you could make an appointment with him as a
>> constituent to ask him that question.
>>
>> When I met with him a couple of weeks ago, it seemed as if he had changed
>> his mind & no longer supported PR or electoral reform....he challenged me
>> to name one country that is working well that uses PR.
>>
>> More constituents in his office stating that they support and want their
>> government to take action on electoral reform might be the thing to change
>> his mind back to supporting PR.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> S.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> November 27, 2019
>>>
>>> I support electoral reform because our democracy is broken.
>>>
>>> it is not so much that democracy is broken in that it; rather our
>>> political systems are not able to cope with our present realities.
>>>
>>> I am anxious our experiment with democracy may fail if our political
>>> systems do not continue to evolve:
>>>
>>> (I am anxious that our experiment with humankind may fail eh).
>>>
>>> I remain hopeful, however, and believe as a Canadian there is a role for
>>> Canada.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> At one time in the geographical area of Canada person needed to be a
>>> significant landowner to have a voice,
>>>
>>> Then there was the early 1920's when women in Canada were declared
>>> persons and allowed to have a voice by secret ballet.
>>>
>>> It was not until 1960 that our indigenous hosts got the right to vote in
>>> Canadian elections.
>>>
>>> >Furthermore: IF we had a  mixed form of proportional representation in
>>> the last Federal election our Right Honourable Trudeau would have had some
>>> elected MP's from Western Canada for form his cabinet eh?.
>>>
>>> Best regards and sincerely,
>>> Myron Daniel Steinman
>>> N2G 5A1
>>>
>>> Finally to paraphrase our current Prime Minister of Canada; After all it
>>> is 2019.
>>>
>>> And lastly; the issues we face our too complex, and require the buy in
>>> of all our residents, now and present...and indeed the past as well yes?
>>>
>>> Lastly we have the technology to enable us to have a mixed form of
>>> proportional representation with Confederation.
>>>
>>> But what we are asking form is a "Citizens Assembly"...democracies need
>>> to continue to evolve eh.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:44 AM Peter KH via fvc-wat-disc <
>>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the risk of stating the obvious, I think that it would be helpful to
>>>> ask Raj "what can we do to change your mind?" (assuming that he has not
>>>> recently changed his mind)
>>>>
>>>> For the card, here's why I support electoral reform: "I support
>>>> electoral reform because strategic voting stifles civic debate. I don't
>>>> want the next election to be again about deficits vs austerity (We no
>>>> longer have the luxury of government inaction being OK with the pending
>>>> climate crisis and the pending jobs crisis due to automation)"
>>>>
>>>> - Peter K
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM, Anita Nickerson < anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's okay, Raj's office now says that he can't meet off site till
>>>> January (probably it was about 5 minutes away from his office to Sam's
>>>> condo, but whatever ): and only 7 could fit in his office.
>>>>
>>>> The group that booked the visit are going to tomorrow as a small group
>>>> to his office. When I get a report I'll send to Cathy.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else who signed up from Kitchener Centre, I asked if they
>>>> would mind writing a short note to Raj that the organizer can print tonight
>>>> and take about why this is important to them. About three people have,
>>>> which is great.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else, I encouraged them to be in touch with the local chapter
>>>> if they want to get involved, as you will be talking about if/when to visit
>>>> Raj again.
>>>>
>>>> *It was wonderful to have about 15 people signed up to go tomorrow!!*
>>>>
>>>> Your campaign made an impression on Raj. He only won with 36% of the
>>>> vote. The best thing is if he sees that we're not slinking away into a dark
>>>> corner because Liberals have declared this dead, that a 2023 local campaign
>>>> could be even bigger :).
>>>>
>>>> Anita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM Mary Jackes <mkj at bell.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We've been to see Raj three times about this and that.  He knows we're
>>>>> not from Kitchener Centre.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> On 2019-11-26 11:56 a.m., Dave Arthur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m not in Kitchener Centre but am in Waterloo.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you have for Wednesday morning with Raj?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be available and I doubt that he would know me as not in his
>>>>> riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Catherine Campbell <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:44 PM
>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For PR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I live in Waterloo not Kitchener Centre, and I’m giving a speech to my
>>>>> Toastmaster’s International club at that time. What about inviting
>>>>> Conservatives who now, according to the poll sent to the Fair Vote list,
>>>>> are 70 percent in favour of electoral reform. They see how first past the
>>>>> post gave the Trudeau Liberals far more seats than the Conservatives
>>>>> despite the Liberals attracting one percent fewer  votes.  Cathe Campbell
>>>>>  PS Christmas party will help Fair Vote members to network, team build and
>>>>> talk politics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>>> <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *WE NEED PEOPLE FROM KITCHENER CENTRE TO ATTEND A MEETING WITH RAJ ON
>>>>> WEDNESDAY AT 11:30*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is to assemble as large a group as possible. Think of it as
>>>>> the "cure Raj of apathy" initiative - may require multiple treatments ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Theses visits are happening now across the country. The favourite line
>>>>> of the Liberal MPs is that nobody cares about this, it's dead in the
>>>>> Liberal party blah blah. We must push back (nicely, but persisently).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In this riding we've taken the optimistic step of *hoping that we can
>>>>> assemble quite a few people!* (If that doesn't happen, we only look
>>>>> mildly like losers :). It was one of those judgement calls - the room for 7
>>>>> or the room for 20? So we went with 20. If they could get 13 people in
>>>>> Toronto Danforth and possibly 19 people in the little town of Gibsons, BC,
>>>>> let's see what we can do here in Kitchener Centre. But we'll need your help!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *If you can join a meeting with Raj on Wednesday November 27 at 11:30
>>>>> AM please email me!!*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A local supporter has agreed to book a room in her condo that can fit
>>>>> more than his campaign office and he is to meet us there (providing he
>>>>> doesn't cancel the last minute).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you haven't visited Raj before, and he wouldn't recognize you as
>>>>> one of the key organizers of our door hanger/flyer/ad campaign, that is
>>>>> even better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a spouse or friend who is supportive of this cause and
>>>>> might like to attend and can spare the 30 minutes, invite them. (And let me
>>>>> know who to expect and how to contact them).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to hear from any of you in Kitchener Centre who can attend - feel
>>>>> free to email off list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will be talking to Raj about why a National Citizens' Assembly on
>>>>> Electoral Reform <https://nationalcitizensassembly.ca/> to take this
>>>>> out of the hands of politicians a good idea :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anita
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This past week we learned that the Trudeau government did not appoint
>>>>> a minister to the portfolio of Democratic Institutions thereby disbanding
>>>>> the ministry and all pretense of being interested in the democratic process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Angus Reid Institute released a poll which indicated that support
>>>>> for PR has skyrocketed since our recent federal election particularly among
>>>>> Conservative supporters.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://angusreid.org/electoral-reform-trend/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The CBC just released archival footage of former Prime MInister,
>>>>> Pierre Trudeau stating his view that Canada should move on the
>>>>> recommendations of the Pepin-Robarts Commission report (1977) and institute
>>>>> proportional representation.  Trudeau makes some excellent points!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-pierre-trudeau-said-canada-needed-proportional-representation-1.5358177
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our monthly meeting is this Wed. evening at 7 pm at the Civic Hub.
>>>>> Jay Judkowitz & David Dirks will give a presentation on the work of PR4PR,
>>>>> a Toronto based group that presents the need for proportional
>>>>> representation in a different framework.  The Civic Hub is in the lower
>>>>> level of St. John's Anglican Church, 23 Water Street in Kitchener.
>>>>> Entrance is on Duke Street.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, a large group of fair vote supporters is to visit with Raj Saini
>>>>> this Wed. at 11:30.  So large a group that a larger space is needed.  If
>>>>> you would like to attend and want more details please contact Anita
>>>>> Nickerson at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> anita.nickerson at fairvote.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>> Chapter Co-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> FVC-WR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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