[fvc-wat-disc] Did you see this CBC item on Google? How would proportional representation have shaped this election’s results? | CBC/Radio-Canada

[Paul Schellenberg]

Hi Gord,
	I noticed some errors in your email.

The Liberals won 33.1% of the popular vote, and the Conservatives 34.44% according to Wikipedia.
The Liberals won 46.4% of the seats and the Conservatives won 35.8% according to Wikipedia.

Paul

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 10:39 AM, gordon.n gordon.n <gordon.n at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave and other FVC folks
> 
> I think the CBC did a good job with the graphics they used but I agree that it lacked detailed information about what would happen in each province
> 
> I have worked out the statistics for a MMP Commons based on the following assumptions
> 
> Retain the current 338 ridings and elect the MP's for those ridings using FPTP
> Add an additional 83 top up LIST seats that would be allocated proportionally inside each province. I did not use a national allocation because I am of the opinion that would get into constitutional difficulties
> The expanded Commons of 421 members would require a party to have 212 seats to form a majority government
> Since the last decade review of seat distribution allowed for an expansion of 30 seats in the Commons, the cost of the introduction of an extra 83 seats to achieve proportional representation could be written off against the next two redistribution exercises.
> The data in the attached chart shows that the Liberals would be in first place with 167 seats (39.6% of seats versus a vote count of 39.5%) and the Conservatives second with 145 seats(34.4% of seats vs a vote count of 31.9%). Although not perfect this result is close to the vote count
> 
> The major gains are for the NDP and the Greens
> 
> Note that at the provincial level the following changes would occur
> 
> the Liberals would go from 0 to  6 seats in Alberta & Saskatchewan
> the NDP would go from 1 to 6 seats in Alberta 7 Saskatchewan
> the Greens would go from 2 to 7 seats in BC, 0 to 5 seats in Ontario and 0 to 4 seats in Quebec
> the Conservatives would go from 4 to 10 seats in the four Maritime provinces
> As you know, I personally advocate for an MMPP system that would replace FPTP with a Second Choice Preferential system for the riding voting. If this were done there would be some minor changes to the attached chart that I have not had the time to work out.
> 
> I hope these statistics answer the question you put even though I have not presented them in bar graph format
> 
> Gordon Nicholls
> 
>> ---------- Original Message ---------- 
>> From: Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> 
>> Date: October 25, 2019 at 3:59 PM 
>> 
>> I would like to see a similar comparison including a breakdown by province.
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>> I believe it would show that the east and west is not as divided and polarized as the FPTP results suggest.
>> 
>> We need this kind of more accurate picture at this time when the media are magnifying the east-west divide.
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>> So far I have had difficulty finding popular vote numbers by province without using all 338 riding results.
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>> A bar graph by province using party colours would be best as a pie graph for each province would take too much space.
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>> Any takers?
>> 
>> Dave A
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