[fvc-wat-disc] Did you see this CBC item on Google? How would proportional representation have shaped this election’s results? | CBC/Radio-Canada

[Myron Steinman]

I made some comments on my Myron D Steinman Facebook page.
I hope they were not inappropriate.
I did NOT identify myself as a member of FairVote WR, although I did
re-post the url link and made some comments.

I would appreciate any feedback?
Best regards, Myron Steinman

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:22 AM Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:

> Thanks Gordon.
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> Quite helpful.
>
> I’d like to make a bar graph and perhaps use results from an MMP result
> with 338 seats.
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> Dave
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> *From: *gordon.n gordon.n <gordon.n at sympatico.ca>
> *Sent: *Friday, October 25, 2019 10:39 AM
> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>;
> Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Did you see this CBC item on Google? How
> would proportional representation have shaped this election’s results? |
> CBC/Radio-Canada
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> Hi Dave and other FVC folks
>
> I think the CBC did a good job with the graphics they used but I agree
> that it lacked detailed information about what would happen in each province
>
> I have worked out the statistics for a MMP Commons based on the following
> assumptions
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>    1. Retain the current 338 ridings and elect the MP's for those ridings
>    using FPTP
>    2. Add an additional 83 top up LIST seats that would be allocated
>    proportionally inside each province. I did not use a national allocation
>    because I am of the opinion that would get into constitutional difficulties
>    3. The expanded Commons of 421 members would require a party to have
>    212 seats to form a majority government
>    4. Since the last decade review of seat distribution allowed for an
>    expansion of 30 seats in the Commons, the cost of the introduction of an
>    extra 83 seats to achieve proportional representation could be written off
>    against the next two redistribution exercises.
>
> The data in the attached chart shows that the Liberals would be in first
> place with 167 seats (39.6% of seats versus a vote count of 39.5%) and the
> Conservatives second with 145 seats(34.4% of seats vs a vote count of
> 31.9%). Although not perfect this result is close to the vote count
>
> The major gains are for the NDP and the Greens
>
> Note that at the provincial level the following changes would occur
>
>    - the Liberals would go from 0 to  6 seats in Alberta & Saskatchewan
>    - the NDP would go from 1 to 6 seats in Alberta 7 Saskatchewan
>    - the Greens would go from 2 to 7 seats in BC, 0 to 5 seats in Ontario
>    and 0 to 4 seats in Quebec
>    - the Conservatives would go from 4 to 10 seats in the four Maritime
>    provinces
>
> As you know, I personally advocate for an MMPP system that would replace
> FPTP with a Second Choice Preferential system for the riding voting. If
> this were done there would be some minor changes to the attached chart that
> I have not had the time to work out.
>
> I hope these statistics answer the question you put even though I have not
> presented them in bar graph format
>
> Gordon Nicholls
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
> Date: October 25, 2019 at 3:59 PM
>
> I would like to see a similar comparison including a breakdown by province.
>
> I believe it would show that the east and west is not as divided and
> polarized as the FPTP results suggest.
>
> We need this kind of more accurate picture at this time when the media are
> magnifying the east-west divide.
>
> So far I have had difficulty finding popular vote numbers by province
> without using all 338 riding results.
>
> A bar graph by province using party colours would be best as a pie graph
> for each province would take too much space.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Dave A
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> *Sent: *Friday, October 25, 2019 8:50 AM
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> *Subject: *[fvc-wat-disc] Did you see this CBC item on Google? How would
> proportional representation have shaped this election’s results? |
> CBC/Radio-Canada
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> https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/2019/elections-federales/mode-scrutin-proportionnelle-mixte-compensatoire/index-en.html
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