[fvc-wat-announce] [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum

Thu Dec 1 22:42:39 EST 2016

John,

I've been told "stop dreaming, it's not going to happen" for 8 years.

Also, there are no shortage of people who helpfully can't wait to say "I
told you so".

This has always been a long shot - how realistic it looks depends on the
day.

Everyone has to make their own determination about when to give up.

Anita

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:33 PM, John Cooper <johnco at golden.net> wrote:

> This shows once again that the NDP is willing to compromise on some
> matters in order to obtain the end goal.
>
> If they had not, the media, The Green party, FVC etc  and all of the NDP
> enemies would have criticized them forever.
>
>
>
> The Liberals will not compromise. And based on everything that has been
> written in the numerous reports I have read tonight and for many months –
>
>    Trudeau, the Liberal party and the Liberal government will not support
> PR.
>
> The Liberals are known for being able to ‘suck and blow' at the same time
> and for not keeping promises – just as the Minister said about making
> election promises and not keeping them.
>
> Even the cynical public will say that they know all parties don’t intend
> to keep promises.
>
>
>
> As for a referendum: the winner will be the group with the most money to
> advertise their position.
>
> And you can bet that the Liberals will not support an electronic vote so
> that all possible voters will have an equal opportunity – and the younger
> voters, a motivation to vote.
>
> Despite being a ‘darling’ to the under 40’s, and supposedly keen on using
> new technology, he knows that this demographic elected him and expect him
> to honour his promise.
>
>
>
> Without PR, he does not need their vote next election to win because they
> will not vote. They will be disenchanted.
>
>
>
> Writing a letter to Waterloo MP Bardish Chagger will not make any
> difference. She obtained her cabinet position by supporting Trudeau.
>
> She will not go against him, the party and the government because
> otherwise she will lose her role.
>
>
>
> Stop dreaming!  It’s not going to happen!
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
> *Sent:* December-01-16 9:27 PM
> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Cc:* fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thinkers.org
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum
>
>
>
> Hi Sean,
>
>
>
> The "politics" comment is in part because clearly there was horse trading.
> The NDP who have never supported a referendum moved their position to
> accept a referendum to get a consensus.  Bringing forward a consensus
> report was critical to keeping the initiative alive.  It could well be that
> horse trading was necessary because the Liberals were not supporting PR.
>
>
>
> And, that doesn't mean we are going to get a referendum.  On a good day, I
> think the post card campaign is an opportunity to illustrate that there
> isn't a need for a referendum. At this point the cabinet can do what it
> wishes.  The weather vane can point in whichever direction the cabinet
> wants it to point.
>
>
>
> Minister Monsef has a knack for getting herself into political hot water.
> I agree that her comments in the House today were very insulting and ill
> advised.  Good chance that Minister Monsef will be shuffled out of that
> portfolio at the first available opportunity.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 PM, haberlin at gmail.com <haberlin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sharon,
>
>  Given the dismissive conduct of the Minister Monsef plus the Liberals
> members of the ERRE focusing on the Gallagher formula, I would say the
> referendum compromise is not politics.  Rather, it is the Liberal party
> saying NO to proportional representation.
>
>  All that the Liberal members had to do is support PR and the referendum
> option would have been another example of Conservation voter suppression.
>
>  *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
> *Sent:* December 1, 2016 6:33 PM
> *To:* fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thinkers.org; fvc-wat-disc at listserv.
> thinkers.org
> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum
>
>  Hello FairVoting Friends,
>
>  Today the ERRE committee tabled its report to Parliament.
>
> The committee recommended proportional representation!  And, as this is
> politics, the committee also recommended a referendum.
>
>  Enormous thanks to the ERRE committee for their hard work & commitment on
> behalf of all of us as they tabled a majority report. Given the numerous
> perspectives around the table, that wasn't an easy task.
>
>  Now, the report will go to Cabinet.  The Cabinet will make the final
> decision on what electoral reform will look like and we can expect
> legislation to be introduced in Parliament in the spring.  Until then,
> let's keep the pressure up on our MPs and our government.  If we want a
> fair electoral system, we need to speak up and speak out.  Write letters to
> the editor of the Record, the Post, the Chronicle, call, email or meet with
> your MP, talk to friends, neighbours and family, use social media to get
> out the message.  We would be happy to give a presentation on electoral
> systems to any group.  Just ask.
>
>  We have an amazing opportunity to finally get a fair electoral system!
> Let's work together and make it happen!
>
>  With thanks,
>
> Sharon
>
> for FVC-WR
>
>  PS.,
>
> Here is the link to the report.
>
>  http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.
> aspx?Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8655791
>
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