[fvc-wat-disc] It's not over

[marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca]

Hello All,
Congratulations on your hard work and effort. I have had the pleasure of meeting
and working with all of you. I would rather have meet 1000 peoples personalities
and outlooks from the yes side then 999 personalities and outlooks from the no
side. The Citizens' Assembly was an experience I will never forget but what came
after was comparable. What you learned and experienced from this campaign will
follow you in your future endeavors. Don't let not winning this campaign eat you
up inside. You have planted great seeds of knowledge in the general public. I
don't think you should give up the idea of changing the political politics of
Ontario or Canada, but you should set it aside and hold the politicians
accountable under the current system for more important things, like the
environment. This is where I think we as a whole society need to focus our
attention on now, before it is too late, and personally I think you will find a
whole lot more people backing you up.
Marcia Soeda
Citizens Assembly member
PS- I don't know when this e-mail site will go down so I am providing my personal
e-mail account to all wanting to keep in touch. I can be found at
marciasoeda at hotmail.com   

On Thu Oct 11  4:58 , Richard Fairman <richard.fairman at hotmail.com> sent:

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>Thanks for your thoughts and encouragement, Ari.  Here are mine.
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>I am disappointed and disheartened at the result because I believe that reason
and good judgement must prevail.  Neither did last evening.
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>I do think however that we must have made some inroads in educating the
electorate about the injustices and travesties within our current FPTP electoral
system.  For an ethically deficient electoral system such as FPTP to be as
successful as it was in last night's referendum, it must need to rest upon a
broad base of ignorance.  Such is the case of, what many 19'th century
philosophers refer to as, "the vulgar herd."
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>Ignorance and those corrupted and intoxicated by the disproportionate
distribution of power within FPTP, along with their scare-mongering propaganda
machine, are the foes to be overcome.  Reason must, in the end, prevail.
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>In my opinion, some strategic mistakes in the electoral campaign for electoral
reform were:  toning down the rhetoric to "Make Democracy Better" rather than
"Where's The Democracy?", proposing a compromise mixed system wherein
comparisons of elected and unelected member scenario's are endless instead of
pure PR wherein all members are elected equally the same way.
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>I plan to forge on with the mission of course.  It has been a pleasure to meet
and know you all and I do hope we stay in touch somehow  Sharing your thoughts,
ideas and convictions has strengthened my resolve.  Thanks.
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>Peace be upon you all.
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>Rick Fairman
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>> From: adaigen at sympatico.ca
>> To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:54:04 +0000
>> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] It's not over
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>> Hi all,
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>> It's late, and I'm long overdue for a glass of wine and a video...but I 
>> wanted to say two things. First of all, good for us for spreading the word 
>> about the problems with the current system, and the need for change! Given 
>> all the obstacles thrown in our way, nearly 40% of the vote (I don't know 
>> the final number yet) is phenomenal--people are NOT happy with the system, 
>> and the results of this election do nothing if not bolster the case for 
>> reform. (With *less* of the vote, and 60% against them, the Liberals won a 
>> *bigger* landslide majority. I don't know yet whether John Tory kept his 
>> seat, but if he loses and then gets parachuted into another riding I would 
>> be highly amused, given all our opponents were saying about how 
>> "accountable" politicians are under FPTP, and how party leaders would have 
>> too much power under MMP.)
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>> That leads to the second thing--we've got more work to do. I can't think 
>> clearly tonight, but starting tomorrow I/we've got some letters to write, 
>> signatures to collect, etc. There's clearly a problem with the system, and 
>> we can't let the government use this rigged campaign to pretend otherwise. 
>> Let's keep the pressure on, and get them to study the issue in broad 
>> daylight, with a *real* education campaign, *real* publicity, and (ideally, 
>> eventually) a voting date separate from a general election.
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>> Good night all,
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>> Ari
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