[fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup

Sun Oct 14 12:51:00 EDT 2007

Whoa! I wouldn't try to silence the opposition, that's the other side's 
tactic! (A sadly effective one this time around.) Whether William Christian 
is stupid or just disingenuous, the ideas he puts forth aren't hard to 
discredit. Letters in response *do* get published, as do the (much more 
persuasive, I like to think) arguments from our side.

Our best response is to keep the subject going. Before the election, I think 
it was William Christian who said that "better electoral reform is worth 
waiting for." Now we can say to him "well, it's the day after--let's get 
working on that 'better reform'!"

Ari

>From: <marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca>
>Reply-To: marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca,   FVC Waterloo 
>RegionDiscussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
>Subject: RE: [fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup
>Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:44:24 -0700
>
>Hi All,
>On election night I saw Brian on television talking about the election and
>referendum but I could not hear him in the bar. Last night I saw Brian 
>talking on
>the French channel but I could not understand him, but at least he is still 
>out
>there getting the message out.
>In Saturday Oct 13ths paper under editorials & letters it talks about the
>University of Laurier students not being able to vote and on the next page 
>there
>was an article written by William Christian about the results of the 
>election and
>slamming MMP. This man is a university professor and the things he said 
>blows my
>mind, he said voters should not show ID, voters should be encouraged to 
>vote, but
>his own students were probably not allowed. He said MMP is a stupid system, 
>but
>does not recommend a better one. He suggests there is a problem but he 
>offers
>Ideas but is not willing to offer solutions. Why is he allowed to criticize 
>and
>suggest without investing in his own words. Who does he expect to take up 
>the
>fight, uneducated people about politics like the general public or people
>invested like the smaller parties. This man needs to stop misinforming the 
>public
>based on his opinion and using his credential as a excuse for his opinion 
>because
>in my mind he really does not sound educated. We need to stop the paper 
>from
>giving people like this so much power. Does anyone having any ideas short 
>of
>boycotting the paper and writing letters that never get published.
>Marcia
>
>On Fri Oct 12 16:18 , 'Brian Tanguay' <btanguay at wlu.ca> sent:
>
> >Sorry to have been incommunicado for a while, but I'm just now getting
> >through some of the hundreds of messages that have accumulated the past
> >two weeks. I basically declared myself "e-mail bankrupt" a while
> >ago....
> >
> >I could get the signs from Kitchener Centre, if no one has volunteered.
> >Could you please re-send me a list of their locations?
> >
> >Thanks to everyone for your heroic efforts. The result wasn't what I
> >wanted; actually, it was a lot worse than I feared. But, to steal a line
> >from the FLQ (not that I'm endorsing their aims or methods or anything
> >like that), nous vaincrons! Or the Latin American version: venceremos!
> >
> >At least you gotta believe that we will win in the end. Somehow.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >>>> ayenssen at rogers.com 11/10/2007 10:12:11 pm >>>
> >I don't think we need to meet as a group to tend to the signs.  Adam,
> >Rick,
> >and Bryn have already taken ownership for picking up the signs they put
> >up.
> >Bob Jonkman has agreed to take down the signs that he put up in the
> >Elmira
> >area, as well as the signs Derek and I put up in that area.  I am
> >assuming
> >that the group in Cambridge is taking down the signs erected in that
> >city.
> >I will prioritize taking down the other signs Derek and I put up in
> >the
> >Kitchener-Conestoga and Kitchener-Waterloo areas tomorrow.  Therefore,
> >the
> >only area yet to be covered in terms of taking down signs is Kitchener
> >Centre (Derek e-mailed the list of locations of signs in Kitchener
> >Centre
> >earlier today).  I am desperately seeking another volunteer to take
> >down the
> >Kitchener Centre signs.  I am really too busy to get to that area plus
> >the
> >Kitchener Waterloo and Kitchener Conestoga signs myself in the next two
> >days
> >especially given that my car is small and I have to take all the signs
> >apart
> >to transport them.  I can gather the signs Derek and I put up
> >relatively
> >quickly tomorrow morning (I hope!) because I know exactly where they
> >are
> >located.  However, if no volunteer comes forward to tend to the
> >Kitchener
> >Centre signs, I will do it Saturday night which is unfortunately the
> >earliest I can get to that job.  Maybe Derek could contact Tracy to
> >help
> >with picking up the Kitchener Centre signs since Derek arranged for her
> >to
> >help him put up the signs and she has a van she can use to transport
> >them
> >easily while still assembled.
> >
> >I have contacted the provincial Vote for MMP campaign to see if they
> >have
> >any desire to store the signs.  Once I have a response, I will let you
> >all
> >know so that we can decide a course of action regarding storage or
> >recycling
> >of the signs as appropriate.
> >
> >Angela
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> >From: fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org
> >[fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org','','','')">fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
>On Behalf Of Bryn
> >Ossington
> >Sent: October 11, 2007 9:55 PM
> >To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> >Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup
> >
> >
> >
> >I will be entertaining people from out of town around 6 tomorrow so my
> >house
> >isn't really a good option. I'm going to take some signs down in the
> >morning.
> >
> >Bryn
> >
> >On 10/11/07, Paul Nijjar paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Either way, I don't think the low chance of having another
> >> referendum justifies recycling $1500 worth of signs.
> >
> >Are you offering to store those signs someplace? If we can't store
> >them we can't keep them.
> >
> >I also question their usability even if there is another referendum,
> >but since I am not going to store them I don't particularly care one
> >way or the other. What I do care about is that they get collected
> >soon so we don't get fined, and so far I am not under the impression
> >that we have this organized yet. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> >Should we name a time and place for people to meet? Would tomorrow
> >evening at Bryn's house work for people (and Bryn)? If so, then what
> >time? 6:00pm? 7:00pm? (We'll be working in the dark then.)
> >
> >- Paul
> >
> >
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