[fvc-wat-disc] Signs and money

Derek Kraan derek.kraan at gmail.com
Mon Oct 15 14:53:11 EDT 2007


I've got three or four boxes (360 - 480 reports), can't remember which, but
if someone wants some, they are welcome to them.

Derek

2007/10/15, marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca <
marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca>:
>
> Just a note to let people know there is tens of thousands of final reports
> at
> publications Ontario if you might be interested in getting some before
> they
> recycle them, it might be already to late.
> Marcia
>
> On Mon Oct 15  9:50 , 'Kevin Smith' <kevedsmith at gmail.com> sent:
>
> >Hi folks:
> >
> >I've e-mailed Bronwen to ask about the Elections Ontario rules for
> >campaign money, and if post-mortem research is an allowable expense.
> >I will get back to you.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Kevin.
> >
> >On 10/14/07, Brian Tanguay btanguay at wlu.ca> wrote:
> >> A survey of *why* people voted against MMP would indeed be valuable and
> >> interesting. But any time you conduct a survey, even one limited to a
> >> region like Waterloo, you're talking major $$$$. More than a mere
> $1000,
> >> for sure; probably more like $5000. That's why an ecological or
> >> aggregate data analysis would probably be the most feasible in these
> >> circumstances. And this sort of thing is definitely still relevant.
> >> LISPOP (the survey research people at Laurier) conducted an experiment
> >> to test the effectiveness of literature drops in certain polls in
> >> Cambridge (for the Green Party candidate).
> >>
> >> As an aside, I'm part of a research team that is comparing the most
> >> recent provincial elections in Quebec and Ontario. The cost for each
> >> provincial survey (some 40-50 questions each) was $50,000. We do have
> >> some questions on electoral reform in the survey, and should be able to
> >> scratch the surface of why people voted against MMP. It's too bad we
> >> didn't have sufficient resources to conduct a more detailed analysis,
> >> but, in the end, it does come down to money.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> >>> adaigen at sympatico.ca 10/14/2007 12:32:26 AM >>>
> >> Just my thoughts,
> >>
> >> Again, I think the most interesting research project is on *why* people
> >>
> >> voted against MMP. The effectiveness of literature drops has probably
> >> been
> >> researched elsewhere, or certainly could be. Knowing why this
> >> particular
> >> referendum failed, however, is research that can only be conducted here
> >> and
> >> now.
> >>
> >> Of course, that's just my view from the cheap seats, not knowing
> >> LSPIRG's
> >> limitations. Everyone seems pretty set on studying the literature
> >> drops, and
> >> it's not my call to make.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Ari
> >>
> >> >From: "Angela Yenssen" ayenssen at rogers.com>
> >> >Reply-To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> >> >fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> >> >To: "'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'"
> >> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> >> >Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Signs and money
> >> >Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:12:44 -0400
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> >There seem to be two burning questions on the listserv right now and I
> >> will
> >> >respond to them both briefly.
> >> >
> >> >1)  Fate of our signs -- the provincial vote for MMP office has told
> >> me
> >> >that
> >> >the central campaign does not want our signs.   I was advised that we
> >>
> >> >should
> >> >go ahead and recycle the signs since the central campaign also did
> >> not
> >> >foresee that we would have a use for them in future.  If anyone who
> >> picked
> >> >up signs is having difficulty disposing of the stakes, I can pick them
> >> up
> >> >from you at some point since my parents live a rustic country life and
> >> will
> >> >make good use of the stakes.
> >> >
> >> >2)  Surplus funds -- I wholeheartedly support channeling our surplus
> >> funds
> >> >to a post-referendum research project.  I would like to know if our
> >> >canvassing and literature drops had any impact on voters' decisions.
> >> My
> >> >only request attached to the funding for the research would be that
> >> we
> >> >receive a copy of the write-up when the research is finished so we
> >> know the
> >> >results.  I do agree with Jan's comments that we want the research to
> >> be
> >> >independent and unbiased.  I have no desire to interfere with the
> >> research,
> >> >only to see the report when it is done so we can learn from the
> >> findings
> >> >(whatever they turn out to be).
> >> >
> >> >That's my two cents worth for the moment.  Have a great weekend,
> >> >Angela
> >> >
> >> >
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