[fvc-wat-disc] fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2

Sun Oct 28 21:59:34 EDT 2012

The book The Spirit Level: Why equality is better for everyone, will be the
subject of a presentation Mon night Oct 29 at First United Church (King &
Wm).  Starting at 7 pm.  Put on by local KAIROS group.

(KAIROS is - not - going away!
Bev Oda is.)

Eleanor Grant
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>    1. Questions (Anita)
>    2. Re: Questions (Matt Foster)
>    3. Re: Questions (Anita Nickerson)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Anita" <lanickerson at b2b2c.ca>
> To: "FVC Waterloo Region Discussion" <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:33:23 -0400
> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions
> **
> I have two questions I'm wondering if anyone can answer.
>
> Is there a researched connection between income inequality and voting
> systems?  The Lipjhart study made a weak connection suggesting less
> inequality in PR countries, but that was before much of Europe collapsed in
> the recession. If their level of income inequality is worse now, that would
> defeat the case.
>
> Is there a researched connection between trade deals and voting systems? I
> read a very alarming book by David Orchard called the Fight for Canada
> about the free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how Canada gives away
> control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to whomever)
> whereas other countries take steps to protect their industries and
> resources when it benefits their country to do so. I wonder if there is any
> connection between these types of decisions and voting systems.
>
> Anita
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matt Foster <world at golden.net>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:27:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions
>  video - http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
>  info on book the spirit level  -
> http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level
> author
> kate.pickett at york.ac.uk
> phone 01904 32(1377)
> notes from Wikipedia etc.
> *Recent News*: Shortlisted with her co-author, Wilkinson RG, for
> "Research Project of the Year" in the Times Higher Education Awards 2009
> for her research and publication: The Spirit Level: Why More Equal
> Societies Almost Always Do Better.
> He is best known for his book with Kate Pickett The Spirit Level, first
> published in 2009, which claims that societies with more equal distribution
> of incomes have better health, fewer social problems such as violence, drug
> abuse, teenage births, mental illness, obesity, and others, and are more
> cohesive than ones in which the gap between the rich and poor is greater.
>
> Hi Anita,
> Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson wrote a great book on why countries
> with greater equality do better. I wrote to Wilkinson saying that he needed
> a graph that shows equality/inequality as it relates to the electoral
> system.
> He sent me a paper by someone in Brazil who had done such a comparison but
> I cant find it. If you get the book from the library you can pretty much do
> it yourself as it is so obvious except for Portugal which is the odd ball.
> Why don't you try writing or phoning Ms Pickett? I cannot find the address
> for Wilkinson anywhere.
> If you want to contact David Orchard try here <davidorchard at sasktel.net><davidorchard at sasktel.net>or David Orchard
> <ccaftnat at sasktel.net> <ccaftnat at sasktel.net>
> or call him at (306) 997-4981 (Bordon Saskatchewan)
> Ed Broadbent is also very knowledgeable on this topic as I recall him
> speaking on it.
> Cheers
> Matt Foster - stop stop stop "Society Thrives On Participation" see -
> http://stopstopstop.org
>
>  On 27/10/2012 3:33 PM, Anita wrote:
>
> I have two questions I'm wondering if anyone can answer.
>
> Is there a researched connection between income inequality and voting
> systems?  The Lipjhart study made a weak connection suggesting less
> inequality in PR countries, but that was before much of Europe collapsed in
> the recession. If their level of income inequality is worse now, that would
> defeat the case.
>
> Is there a researched connection between trade deals and voting systems? I
> read a very alarming book by David Orchard called the Fight for Canada
> about the free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how Canada gives away
> control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to whomever)
> whereas other countries take steps to protect their industries and
> resources when it benefits their country to do so. I wonder if there is any
> connection between these types of decisions and voting systems.
>
> Anita
>
>
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> --
> Matt Foster - stop stop stop "Society Thrives On Participation" see -
> http://stopstopstop.org
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:51:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions
> Thanks Matt. I will contact Kate. You know one of my things is to tie the
> need for PR into issues people who don't know much about electoral reform
> care about. Any claims we make for PR other than you get what you voted for
> have to be well researched. It would make an interesting event topic.
>
> Anita
>
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Matt Foster <world at golden.net> wrote:
>
>>  video - http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html
>>  info on book the spirit level  -
>> http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level
>> author
>> kate.pickett at york.ac.uk
>> phone 01904 32(1377)
>> notes from Wikipedia etc.
>> *Recent News*: Shortlisted with her co-author, Wilkinson RG, for
>> "Research Project of the Year" in the Times Higher Education Awards 2009
>> for her research and publication: The Spirit Level: Why More Equal
>> Societies Almost Always Do Better.
>> He is best known for his book with Kate Pickett The Spirit Level, first
>> published in 2009, which claims that societies with more equal distribution
>> of incomes have better health, fewer social problems such as violence, drug
>> abuse, teenage births, mental illness, obesity, and others, and are more
>> cohesive than ones in which the gap between the rich and poor is greater.
>>
>> Hi Anita,
>> Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson wrote a great book on why countries
>> with greater equality do better. I wrote to Wilkinson saying that he needed
>> a graph that shows equality/inequality as it relates to the electoral
>> system.
>> He sent me a paper by someone in Brazil who had done such a comparison
>> but I cant find it. If you get the book from the library you can pretty
>> much do it yourself as it is so obvious except for Portugal which is the
>> odd ball.
>> Why don't you try writing or phoning Ms Pickett? I cannot find the
>> address for Wilkinson anywhere.
>> If you want to contact David Orchard try here <davidorchard at sasktel.net><davidorchard at sasktel.net>or David Orchard
>> <ccaftnat at sasktel.net> <ccaftnat at sasktel.net>
>> or call him at (306) 997-4981 (Bordon Saskatchewan)
>> Ed Broadbent is also very knowledgeable on this topic as I recall him
>> speaking on it.
>> Cheers
>> Matt Foster - stop stop stop "Society Thrives On Participation" see -
>> http://stopstopstop.org
>>
>>  On 27/10/2012 3:33 PM, Anita wrote:
>>
>> I have two questions I'm wondering if anyone can answer.
>>
>> Is there a researched connection between income inequality and voting
>> systems?  The Lipjhart study made a weak connection suggesting less
>> inequality in PR countries, but that was before much of Europe collapsed in
>> the recession. If their level of income inequality is worse now, that would
>> defeat the case.
>>
>> Is there a researched connection between trade deals and voting systems?
>> I read a very alarming book by David Orchard called the Fight for Canada
>> about the free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how Canada gives away
>> control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to whomever)
>> whereas other countries take steps to protect their industries and
>> resources when it benefits their country to do so. I wonder if there is any
>> connection between these types of decisions and voting systems.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
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>> http://stopstopstop.org
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