[fvc-wat-disc] Fair Vote presentation

Fri Feb 12 13:38:25 EST 2016

Thank you Bob and Sean.  This required a lot of talking and time.  Greatly
appreciate your effort to find the best solution for the presentation and
Byron.

With thanks,
Sharon

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

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> Hi all: After a long discussion last night, Sean and I have agreed on
> the following text between the ===== marks for slide 48, to be
> centered &c:
>
> =====
> (Public Domain button)
>
> To the extent possible under law, Byron Weber Becker has waived all
> copyright and related or neighboring rights to this Presentation. This
> work is published from: Canada.
>
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> =====
>
> This text was generated from the Creative Commons CC0 license chooser
> at https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ resulting in the output at
>
>
> https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/results?license-class=zero&name=Byron+Weber+Becker&actor_href=http%3A%2F%2Ffairvotewrc.ca%2F&work_title=this+Presentation&work_jurisdiction=CA&confirm=confirm&understand=confirm&lang=en_US&field1=continue&waiver-affirm=affirm
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> A larger Public Domain button can be downloaded from
> http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/presskit/buttons/88x31/png/cc-zero.png
>
> The presentation file itself can have embedded links for the author
> and the button, but we want to include the actual URL text so that
> printed copies, video presentations, and any other version that
> doesn't support clickable links can all access to the Creative Commons
> text of the Public Domain Dedication.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
>
> On 2016-02-08 11:04 PM, Sean B. Haberlin wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> >
> >
> > Creative Commons provides the legal expertise that allows people or
> > organizations to share their material.   Your statement “The Fair
> > Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is not a legal entity (it's not
> > a non-profit organization, not an incorporated entity; nothing,
> > really...) and so it has no rights it can use to claim copyright
> > that it can waive.” is moot and can be argued legally.  What I am
> > saying is when we state that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region
> > Chapter created this presentation and grants copyright Creative
> > Commons backs that statement.
> >
> >
> >
> > We do not have to be a “legal entity” to grant copyright when we
> > apply the creative common license.  That is the whole point of
> > Creative Commons and similar organizations – to make the internet
> > free and accessible.
> >
> >
> >
> > The licensor under as defined by Creative Commons is "Licensor"
> > means the individual, individuals, entity or entities that offer(s)
> > the Work under the terms of this License.  Here is the direct link,
> > it is under d in section 1 Definitions.
> > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net] Sent: Monday,
> > February 8, 2016 9:31 PM To: Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> Cc:
> > Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com>; Sean B. Haberlin
> > <haberlin at outlook.com>; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com>; Holly
> > Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com>; Fair Vote Waterloo
> > Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> Subject: Re:
> > Fair Vote presentation
> >
> >
> >
> > So I finally figured out that CC0 is in the “Public Domain” menu
> > while all the other stuff is in the “Licenses” menu.  If you start
> > with Public Domain and then choose “Use this Tool” there is a small
> > link labeled “begin”.  This takes you to a form at
> > https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/waiver where you can fill
> > in some fields.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the fields is the URL where the work (will) be found.  What
> > will that be?
> >
> >
> >
> > After filling everything in and clicking “continue” you get to
> > another page with some ominous warning text including "Once these
> > rights are waived, you cannot reclaim them.”  and two buttons:
> > “No, I do no waive” and “Yes, I waive”.  Does anyone know the
> > actual effect of clicking the “Yes” button?  Does it simply
> > generate some text or does it register something somewhere?  I know
> > the site says that it doesn’t but I’m wondering what all the
> > warnings are about if clicking “yes” just generates some
> > boilerplate text.
> >
> >
> >
> > Second issue:  The logos are terribly small.  Are there larger
> > ones?  Is this the one you’re referring to, Bob?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com
> > <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Gordon Divitt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I
> >
> > don't see a problem
> >
> > That kind of license is a "Share Alike" license, and definitely
> > requires someone to "own" the copyright so that it can be licensed.
> > The advantage of a Public Domain dedication (or waiving rights) is
> > that people *can* use it in situations where attribution is not
> > possible, for example as part of an aggregate work, or use by a
> > commercial broadcaster For example, the CBC will not use Creative
> > Commons licensed material that's restricted for BY (Attribution),
> > SA (Share Alike), ND (No Derivatives allowed), or NC (No Commercial
> > usage allowed).  A public domain dedication will ensure wider
> > distribution of the work, removes any onus on us to protect or
> > enforce a license, and it might not require someone to "own" the
> > rights after those rights have been waived.
> >
> > But the long and short of it is, the less restrictive the license,
> > the wider the distribution of the presentation.
> >
> > Sean wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I was under the impression this project was the work of Fair Vote
> > Canada Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).
> >
> >
> > The reason for naming Byron (or another person) as the copyright
> > holder is so that the copyright can be waived. The Fair Vote Canada
> > Waterloo Region Chapter is not a legal entity (it's not a
> > non-profit organization, not an incorporated entity; nothing,
> > really...) and so it has no rights it can use to claim copyright
> > that it can waive.
> >
> > The wording on slide 48 seems OK to me. I would add one of the CC0
> > badges, but having the link is good.
> >
> > --Bob.
> >
> >
> > Bob Jonkman < <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> bjonkman at sobac.com>
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> > On 2016-02-08 05:13 PM, Gordon Divitt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I
> > don't see a problem On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM Sharon
> > Sommerville < sharonsommerville at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From my perspective, given that Byron undertook this on behalf of
> > FVC-WR & that the FVC logo is on every slide and Byron did the
> > lion's share of the work, I am comfortable saying that Byron is the
> > author without any legal understanding of the consequences of that
> > authorship, if it allows the work to be used by anyone who wants to
> > as per Bob's recommendation.
> >
> > That having been said, would it be a better representation but
> > still keep the presentation in the public domain to say that Byron
> > is the author on behalf of FVC-WR? Is it necessary to establish
> > that caveat?
> >
> > Bob, what are your thoughts on Sean's concern?
> >
> > Kind regards all, S.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Byron Weber Becker
> > <bwbecker at golden.net <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Was following Bob’s recommendations (more or less).  Back on Jan 24
> > he wrote:
> >
> > 2) Byron asked for language for a copyright statement.  The
> > presentation *will* be covered by copyright, since Canadian law
> > automatically applies copyright protections even if you don't want
> > them. I'm not sure that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region
> > Chapter is an entity capable of holding a copyright, and I don't
> > want the copyright to be transferred to Fair Vote Canada (while
> > it's inconceivable, transferring copyright to FVC may prevent us
> > from using, modifying or distributing it ourselves).  To allow the
> > maximum use and widest distribution I'm going to suggest:
> >
> > To the extent possible under law, the author of this presentation,
> > text and graphics, Byron Weber Becker has waived all copyright and
> > related or neighboring rights.  This work can be copied, modified,
> > and redistributed without permission or attribution.
> >
> > Use one of the CC0 logos from http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-88x31/
> > or http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-80x15/
> >
> > More info about CC0: https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/
> >
> > Gordon raised the point that this allows the work to be used in
> > ways that we don't approve of, but that's one of the dangers of
> > education and knowledge.
> >
> >
> > The difference between what Bob wrote and what’s in the
> > presentation is that what’s in the presentation is sorta on the
> > Creative Commons web site.  I couldn’t find anything that sorta
> > looked like Bob’s text.
> >
> > I must say, I found the CC web site to be pretty convoluted and
> > confusing.
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sean B. Haberlin <haberlin at outlook.com
> > <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a problem with slide 48 – Legal Stuff.   “…Byron Weber
> > Becker, the author is this work…”  I was under the impression this
> > project was the work of Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter
> > (FVCWRC).  I’m I wrong?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net
> > <bwbecker at golden.net <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net> >] *Sent:*
> > Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:17 PM *To:* Bob Jonkman
> > <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> >; Sharon
> > Sommerville < sharonsommerville at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> >; Sean B. Haberlin
> > <haberlin at outlook.com <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> >; Gordon
> > Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com <mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com> >; Holly
> > Featherstone < hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com
> > <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> > *Subject:* Fair Vote
> > presentation
> >
> > Here’s my latest revision to the presentation.  I was more careful
> > in how I embedded graphics and stuff, so it’s now a much more
> > manageable size.
> >
> > Questions that remain in my mind:
> >
> >
> > 1. Slide 2:  We say FVC is “run by volunteers” but we do have some
> > paid staff at the national level.  Does that statement need
> > modification? 2. Slides 40 & 41:  Are the descriptions of MMP
> > voting OK?
> >
> >
> > Let me know…
> >
> > Do we have presentations lined up?
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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