[fvc-wat-disc] One FPTP argument goes down in flames

Sun Nov 13 09:40:41 EST 2016

Hi Kevin,

I posted the link to Reddit.  It has elicited quite a bit of commentary.  Thanks for giving us all the heads up.

Seanh

From: fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of Dave Arthur
Sent: November 13, 2016 9:19 AM
To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] One FPTP argument goes down in flames

Yes, Andrew’s article makes a strong point.

They are saying that, when the vote tallies are complete Hillary may have received 2 million more votes than the Donald.

When people say the American voters have spoken, they are wrong.

It’s the electoral system that has spoken and it does not reflect true public support.

Sound familiar?

Dave

From: Sharon Sommerville 

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:28 PM

To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion 

Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] One FPTP argument goes down in flames

Thanks for sharing Coyne's article Kevin. His analysis of the electoral context of Trump's win offers an coherent & entertaining explanation of Tuesday's outcome and illustrates that the majority of Americans have not taken leave of their senses. Trump's win may, as did Harper's majority here put some fire under the electoral reform movement in the US. 

Cheers,

Sharon

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Kevin Smith <kevedsmith at gmail.com <mailto:kevedsmith at gmail.com> > wrote:

First Past the Post keeps yahoos out of power? WRONG!

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/full-comment/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-dont-blame-clinton-for-losing-she-got-the-most-votes

On Nov 9, 2016 1:49 AM, "Bob Jonkman" <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> > wrote:

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Thanks to everyone who responded to the poll! It seems that a sense of
urgency won the day; the first available date of Thursday, 10 November
2016 was chosen to have our Strategy Meeting.

*What*: Fair Vote Waterloo Strategy Meeting, Fall 2016
*When*: Thursday, 10 November 2016 from 7:00pm to 9:00pm
*Where*: Sharon Sommerville's dining room
*Location*: 85 Westmount Road South, Waterloo, Ontario
*Map*: http://osm.org/go/ZXna8VEB--?m=

Thanks to Sharon Sommerville for hosting! Street parking is available
on Douglas Street.

See you on Thursday!

Bob Jonkman,
Co-Chair, Fair Vote Waterloo

Poll: http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/choose-a-date-for-a-strategy-meeting/

Event:
http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/event/fair-vote-waterloo-strategy-meeting/

On 2016-11-03 06:20 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> Hello Fair Voters:  There have been some alarming comments from
> both Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Minister of Democratic
> Institutions Maryam Monsef that Canadians no longer need Electoral
> Reform because the Liberals have formed the government.
>
> There’s an urgent need to make a coordinated effort to address the
> Liberals’ backsliding on their election promise of electoral
> reform. We talked about this at the previous Discussion Night, and
> had scheduled a Strategy Meeting for Wednesday, 23 November 2016.
> Unfortunately, a significant number of people can’t make it for
> that date, and because of the urgency of this issue an earlier date
> was requested.
>
> Please use this poll to choose a date:
>
> http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/choose-a-date-for-a-strategy-meeting/
>
> If you can’t complete the poll you can e-mail me at
> bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>  I’ll pick the date on Tuesday, 8 November 2016
> based on the plurality of the poll results.
>
> At the meeting we will discuss ways to combat the Liberals’
> misperception of Canadians’ overwhelming support for Electoral
> Reform:
>
> * Do we have a letter writing campaign to target Liberal MPs? * The
> ERRE committee? * Media? * Do we make phone calls? * Have
> individual meetings with MPs? * Have protest rallies?
>
> Thank you! –Bob Jonkman, Co-Chair, Fair Vote Waterloo
>
> - From the Discussion Mailing List:
>
>> It is critical that we create a powerful response that sends a
>> clear message about how upset & angry we are at this betrayal.
>> And how it will impact the next election!

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