[fvc-wat-disc] Fw: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC analysis

Mon Aug 14 16:27:12 EDT 2017

Yup, and he includes the all-important *minority government *scenario.
We've learned that what you will do as a majority government doesn't mean
it is what you will do if FPTP hands you a majority government :)  I'm
still every bit as furious with Trudeau as ever, but I recognize I can't
point to any provincial government that carried through on this long-time
NDP policy.

But a minority--where someone is pushing you to fulfill such promise
(because, hey, FPTP didn't hand THEM a majority!) is a whole other thing.
Which we did know in 2015, we just overshot the mark.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> This was pretty unambiguous
> http://en.guycaron.ca/electoral_reform
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fair Vote Canada has asked the four candidates three questions on PR.
>> Two have answered the actual questions.  Ashton has posted something to
>> Facebook, and Angus (who might be one of the two answering the questions)
>> has given us an entire video just to us, which I'll try to find in a bit.
>> It will be published tomorrow, just in time for people to sign up with
>> their support of the NDP or a specific candidate.
>>
>> Jenn, ex-officio member of the executive (no longer Treasurer)
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve looked at the websites of the four NDP leadership candidates and
>>> none of them have any mention of electoral reform or PR.
>>> What does this mean?
>>> Does anyone have anything more encouraging about any of the four on ER?
>>> Dave A
>>>
>>> *From:* arthurd23 arthurd23
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:21 PM
>>> *To:* David Dolson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Fw: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC
>>> analysis
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, he's correct that the majority of Canadians are
>>> uninformed or totally complacent or both.
>>>
>>> Without a government that is committed to true democracy as 90% of
>>> developed democracies have, and takes on a major education campaign, we in
>>> Canada will never see PR. We are not New Zealand where they did care. BC
>>> might but they are somewhat more progressive.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>> From: David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>> Date: August 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM
>>>
>>> I got this response.‎ It seems sympathetic, so he might be receptive to
>>> friendly pointers.
>>> -Dave
>>> *From: *geoffstevens geoffstevens <geoffstevens at sympatico.ca>
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:10 AM
>>> *To: *David Dolson
>>> *Reply To: *geoffstevens geoffstevens
>>> *Subject: *Re: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC analysis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dave:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the results of that government online survey in late
>>> 2015, in which 67% said they were somewhat or very satisfied with the
>>> existing system.
>>>
>>> The Abacus Data poll for the Broadbent Institute reported 40% say
>>> electoral reform is not important to them and 12% say they couldn't care
>>> less. An Insights West poll found 62% are very or somewhat satisfied with
>>> FPTP.
>>>
>>> There's no clarion call for action, is there?
>>>
>>> As the unfortunate Maryam Monsef said: "The only consensus that the
>>> report found was that there is no consensus on electoral reform."
>>>
>>> My point is simply this: if the government wants electoral reform, it
>>> will not get it by taking the pulse of the country or by providing a stage
>>> for interest groups. It has to get out and sell the idea. If half or more
>>> than half of the people aren't interested in change, no wise gvernment is
>>> going to embrace it.
>>>
>>> At this point, the Conservatives are opposed to change and the Liberals
>>> don't care about it.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid it's not going to happen.
>>>
>>> Thanks for writing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>> From: David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>> Date: August 8, 2017 at 8:32 AM
>>>
>>> Geoff‎rey,
>>>
>>> I just read you opinion article at ‎https://www.therecord.com/opi
>>> nion-story/7490755-time-for-trudeau-to-get-back-to-work/
>>>
>>> Although I generally agree with the sentiment of the article, you
>>> state,
>>> " largest number said they thought they preferred the existing
>>> first-past-the-post system, perhaps with tweaks"
>>>
>>> This massively disagrees with the analysis here:
>>> http://www.fairvote.ca/strong-mandate/
>>>
>>> How can you explain this? It seems like you didn't read the same report
>>> that Fair Vote Canada did.
>>>
>>> I, and it would seem a majority of Canadians, would prefer Justin had
>>> got to work on electoral reform as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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