[fvc-wat-disc] Fw: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC analysis

[Jay Judkowitz]

This was pretty unambiguous
http://en.guycaron.ca/electoral_reform

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fair Vote Canada has asked the four candidates three questions on PR.  Two
> have answered the actual questions.  Ashton has posted something to
> Facebook, and Angus (who might be one of the two answering the questions)
> has given us an entire video just to us, which I'll try to find in a bit.
> It will be published tomorrow, just in time for people to sign up with
> their support of the NDP or a specific candidate.
>
> Jenn, ex-officio member of the executive (no longer Treasurer)
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>
>> I’ve looked at the websites of the four NDP leadership candidates and
>> none of them have any mention of electoral reform or PR.
>> What does this mean?
>> Does anyone have anything more encouraging about any of the four on ER?
>> Dave A
>>
>> *From:* arthurd23 arthurd23
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:21 PM
>> *To:* David Dolson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Fw: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC
>> analysis
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, he's correct that the majority of Canadians are uninformed
>> or totally complacent or both.
>>
>> Without a government that is committed to true democracy as 90% of
>> developed democracies have, and takes on a major education campaign, we in
>> Canada will never see PR. We are not New Zealand where they did care. BC
>> might but they are somewhat more progressive.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>> Date: August 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM
>>
>> I got this response.‎ It seems sympathetic, so he might be receptive to
>> friendly pointers.
>> -Dave
>> *From: *geoffstevens geoffstevens <geoffstevens at sympatico.ca>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:10 AM
>> *To: *David Dolson
>> *Reply To: *geoffstevens geoffstevens
>> *Subject: *Re: Your facts on ERRE don't fit with FVC analysis
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave:
>>
>> I'm looking at the results of that government online survey in late 2015,
>> in which 67% said they were somewhat or very satisfied with the existing
>> system.
>>
>> The Abacus Data poll for the Broadbent Institute reported 40% say
>> electoral reform is not important to them and 12% say they couldn't care
>> less. An Insights West poll found 62% are very or somewhat satisfied with
>> FPTP.
>>
>> There's no clarion call for action, is there?
>>
>> As the unfortunate Maryam Monsef said: "The only consensus that the
>> report found was that there is no consensus on electoral reform."
>>
>> My point is simply this: if the government wants electoral reform, it
>> will not get it by taking the pulse of the country or by providing a stage
>> for interest groups. It has to get out and sell the idea. If half or more
>> than half of the people aren't interested in change, no wise gvernment is
>> going to embrace it.
>>
>> At this point, the Conservatives are opposed to change and the Liberals
>> don't care about it.
>>
>> I'm afraid it's not going to happen.
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>> Date: August 8, 2017 at 8:32 AM
>>
>> Geoff‎rey,
>>
>> I just read you opinion article at ‎https://www.therecord.com/opi
>> nion-story/7490755-time-for-trudeau-to-get-back-to-work/
>>
>> Although I generally agree with the sentiment of the article, you state,
>> " largest number said they thought they preferred the existing
>> first-past-the-post system, perhaps with tweaks"
>>
>> This massively disagrees with the analysis here:
>> http://www.fairvote.ca/strong-mandate/
>>
>> How can you explain this? It seems like you didn't read the same report
>> that Fair Vote Canada did.
>>
>> I, and it would seem a majority of Canadians, would prefer Justin had got
>> to work on electoral reform as well.
>>
>>
>> -Dave
>>
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