[fvc-wat-disc] An Idea

[Donald Fraser]

confused ... are the 2 Parties Green and NDP?

On 2 February 2017 at 12:53, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have to agree with Bob.  Fair Vote will be pointing out we still have two
> parties, and in fact we are talking about pushing them into going into an
> Alliance ON proportional representation.--not a merger or even a
> cooperative as Anita and I tried once before.  But that's for those parties
> to decide.  Every individual will have to decide for themselves whether to
> join, volunteer for, vote for one of the two--and which one.  Fair Vote
> cannot take sides on that.
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
>
>> I had hoped we have all learned our lesson about the effectiveness of
>> strategic voting -- it doesn't work.
>>
>> Fair Vote itself is multi-partisan, and cannot endorse one party over
>> another. Besides, there are too many members with affiliations to other
>> parties to make strategic voting for one party acceptable. We'd lose more
>> members than would be left to make strategic votes.
>>
>> Leadnow may be more amenable to your suggestion.
>>
>> --Bob.
>>
>> On February 2, 2017 10:04:45 AM EST, Donald Fraser <
>> donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I sent this suggestion to Leadnow HQ and I wonder if Jenn could pass it
>>> on for FVC  discussion.
>>>
>>> Also, what do the rest of you think?
>>>
>>> =====================
>>>
>>> All of us Waterloo Fair Voters are devastated, but I have an idea.
>>>
>>> Why not  harness all the energy and enthusiasm of Fair Vote Canada and
>>> Leadnow to work for and strategically vote for an NDP government in the
>>> next election (with the unwavering solid promise from Tom Mulcair or
>>> the next leader NOT to do what Justin just did) as a means to get MMPR
>>> which is the version preferred by the NDP. It means one more
>>> strategic-vote-election, but it would be the last.
>>>
>>> We would need to appeal to all our members (FVC and Leadnow) while the
>>> iron is hot BEFORE they go back to their respective parties. We would be
>>> asking them to BE partisan (NDP) for one term but if we succeeded, then we
>>> could from then on go back to voting for our parties of choice.
>>>
>>> An additional advantage is that we would have the national organization
>>> of the NDP to help educate the public about MMPR, which they would
>>> certainly do since it would be part of their platform.
>>>
>>> This happened in New Zealand ... the Labour government promised an
>>> election reform referendum and then sat on it and did nothing (like the
>>> Liberals). The National Party sensed a weakness and campaigned on a
>>> referendum themselves (possibly like the NDP) . They won and had to go
>>> through with the referendum which meant that NZ had a trial of 4 terms with
>>> MMPR. After that a referendum was held to see if the voters liked it ...
>>> they did and now NZ has MMPR permanently.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Electoral_reform_in_New_Zealand
>>> <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FElectoral_reform_in_New_Zealand&h=ATNKcX-jNpeOYKCj1wpEKOwKdaqCKR6xUCefrwhstvcdAWO9FZxNYSxvIf6-gSsnxfDMYuKBIT_FaZcSk_MgjpDr0PnCoDUSYMa6kIOa1CpcHFOoHWemkjxpdKT5xH5jifc>
>>>
>>>
>>
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