[fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor Needed
Jon Bathmaker
jon.bathmaker at gmail.com
Fri Feb 3 17:49:26 EST 2017
Why do you think that Leadnow will not support having people sign the I
won't vote etc. pledge?
Jon
On 2/3/2017 5:31 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:
> What would be most effective is two things:
>
> a) having as many people sign an "I will not vote for you again
> because you broke your electoral reform promise" pledge as signed the
> vote together pledge
>
> b) media at his office embarrassing him with that as I outlined below,
> so more and more people find out about it
>
> These kinds of partisan activities probably cannot be done by FVC is
> the problem, Leadnow is not going to do it, and without the mailing
> lists to do it, it is difficult. But not impossible.
>
> Anita
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com
> <mailto:jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > I know this is not positive but the Liberals need to own this.
> The only world that is positive all the time is the one inhabited
> by Mary Poppins. Since I don't live in that world I'm fine with it.
>
> I remember Raj coming to a little gathering in a pub for the
> Leadnow types who had helped him get elected. He was late but he
> had clearly made a largish effort to get there and was very
> grateful for the Leadnow crew's efforts on his behalf. That
> lasted about a week.
>
> I think we should stop playing nice with these turds. I think we
> should just visit Bardish and Bryan and Marwan and Raj and deal
> the cards straight off the top of the deck. OK Mr/Ms. MP, you
> don't want to play with us anymore after we got you elected to
> implement PR? No problem, we're not going to get mad, we're going
> get even by organizing like crazy and handing you your ass in 19
> (Kiss the pension goodbye!) Now go and tell *that* to Prime
> Minister Pretty Boy.
>
> Regards,
> Jon
>
> On 2/3/2017 4:24 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:
>> I would like to let you know that my Liberal tuque has arrived.
>>
>> I am interested in a march to Raj Saini's office carrying a
>> coffin symbolizing the Death of Liberal Promise on Electoral Reform.
>>
>> It would have to be at a time when he is there so he can come out
>> and explain why the Prime Minister now says that the promise he
>> and every one of his MPs used to get elected is "wrong" and
>> several other lies.
>>
>> The best thing would be if some media were there, or we can send
>> them pictures and quotes afterward.
>>
>> I know this is not positive but the Liberals need to own this.
>>
>> Every MP needs to own this and to know that nobody buys their
>> lame excuses.
>>
>> Every MP especially needs to know that their crass calculations
>> on this one were wrong, and the very people who helped elect them
>> may now help un-elect them.
>>
>> I would also like to deliver Raj the tuke. I wouldn't want his
>> ears to get cold.
>>
>> Of course saner voices are welcome to propose more constructive
>> action.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Donald Fraser
>> <donaldafraser at gmail.com <mailto:donaldafraser at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> thanks, Cathe
>>
>> On 3 February 2017 at 12:47, <cdcampbell9 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cdcampbell9 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Great letter, Don. It was clear and readable.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>
>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 3, 2017 12:16 PM
>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor Needed
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll pick the negative one ... just love a scrap ... so
>> here's my response
>>
>> ======================================================
>>
>> Dear Editor,
>>
>>
>> Re:_The political fallout of breaking a promise_by
>> Joanna Smith_Feb3_2017
>>
>> Ms Smith asks, “But what of the majority of Canadians? Do
>> they care? Does it matter?” in reference to Electoral
>> Reform (ER).
>>
>> It matters. In our system of First Past the Post (FPTP),
>> votes cast for a Green candidate, for example, who loses
>> are useless. The Planet-caring, environmentally
>> conscious, politically aware voters in the particular
>> riding have no say in Ottawa. A certain percentage of all
>> Canadians want Green objectives to be part of the laws of
>> Canada.
>>
>> It matters because these environmentalists should have
>> their say in the structure of government. In a
>> proportional system, for instance, every vote counts to
>> obtain the same percentage of seats for a party as the
>> party received in the national vote count.
>>
>> It matters because they may not vote in the next
>> election, knowing that their votes won’t count.
>>
>> I matters because, due to discouragement, they may cease
>> to engage in the political discussion and the environment
>> will suffer for it.
>>
>> Later Smith states, “Then there is a much larger group
>> that knows little and cares less about ER” in reference
>> to the Canadian electorate at large.
>>
>> “… knows little and cares less … “ is simply cause and
>> effect. Unfortunately, it is difficult to excite the
>> electorate about ER possibilities when they “know
>> little”. Attempts to educate the public about ER are
>> generally regarded as “election activity” which annoys
>> citizens between elections. To be fair there is a small
>> percentage which does respond with enthusiasm.
>>
>> New Zealand (NZ) solved the problem by having a trial run
>> at Mixed Member PR (MMPR) for four terms. The electorate
>> was educated by experience and when consulted after the
>> trial, voted for MMPR over the former FPTP system. Their
>> experience demonstrates that an educated public will
>> choose a proportional alternative to our antiquated and
>> unfair FPTP which wastes the votes of any citizen whose
>> local candidate did not win in their riding.
>>
>> Germany has practiced MMPR since WW2. The resulting
>> stable form of coalition government has allowed Germans
>> to become the master long term planners we recognize them
>> for. They avoid the 'Policy Pendulum' in which false
>> majority governments cancel, at great expense to the
>> taxpayer, the projects of the preceding government.
>> Rather each new government improves and supports policies
>> of the previous government.
>>
>> Yours Truly,
>>
>> Donald A Fraser,
>>
>> 184 Forsyth Drive,
>>
>> Waterloo, Ontario,
>>
>> N2L-1A2
>>
>> 519-576-9210 <tel:%28519%29%20576-9210>
>>
>>
>> On 2 February 2017 at 23:02, Sharon Sommerville
>> <sharonsommerville at gmail.com
>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>
>> Two great articles in today's Record for us to
>> respond to:
>>
>> http://www.therecord.com/news-story/7100196-the-political-fallout-of-breaking-a-promise/
>>
>> http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/7098054-d-amato-broken-promise-may-haunt-liberals/
>>
>> We should capitalize on these articles with letters
>> to the editor. A couple of letters in response to
>> each letter would be wonderful. Any number would be
>> great.
>> Have sent the request out to our larger discussion
>> list as some new names would be helpful!
>>
>> Let me know if you can take either of these on.
>>
>> With thanks,
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>>
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