[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Sun Jul 23 14:12:30 EDT 2017

no problem ... actually it would be better for the back of the T shirt
since it is longer ... then a catchy one for the front ... a long one on
the front gets blocked by arms and stuff one is carrying ... but on the
back it is often unobstructed and folks have plenty of time to read it ...
plus they are the ones who are unlikely to ask the wearer a question.

On 23 July 2017 at 14:08, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, Donald!
>
> I kind of missed it.  Well, I didn't think it was for a T-shirt for some
> reason.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> OK mine didn't get into the list, ... I like it because it's informative
>> if not catchy, so I'll give it number 14
>>
>> 14,9,6
>>
>> [image: Inline images 1]
>>
>> On 23 July 2017 at 13:55, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think the
>>> following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England ...
>>> "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American history
>>> in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but goes
>>> over the heads of too many.
>>>
>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>
>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our preferred
>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>
>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>
>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>
>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>> Representation
>>>>
>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>
>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>
>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>
>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>
>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>
>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>
>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>
>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited this one
>>>> because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>
>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>
>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I really
>>>> like several of them.
>>>>
>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>
>>>> Jenn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could
>>>>>>>>>> use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look
>>>>>>>>>> for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to
>>>>>>>>>> bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make
>>>>>>>>>> our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford
>>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas, and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equality for all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, please let us know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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