[fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you all see, and share, this one!

Sat Sep 15 15:44:17 EDT 2018

You folks don’t understand what Ford and his acolytes are intending to – and will - do.

He will not accept any changes to his plan or legislation. This weekend he’s passing legislation to limit debate or remove it completely. He’s a dictator.

If necessary he will fight in the courts until he wins because he is so obsessed with controlling the City and imposing his ideas on the council. 

If he can find or make a law to allow him to appoint all of the councillors and Mayor, he will. 

If the election does not proceed as he demands, because the City Clerk says there is insufficient time to hold a fair election etc, he will take full control of all city operations. And the Cons have the people to do it.

They have been working on this since they won the election – if not before. Really, you have no idea how this guy thinks.

If necessary, he will suspend the Legislature, and pass legislation through the Cabinet.

(One might think that at some point the Lt Gov might ‘step in’ and refuse to sign Bills. That would create a constitutional crises!)

This yahoo has the support of his caucus, Mike Harris, Federal Conservatives, and all of the lunatic neo-cons.

The names of the present legislation are reminiscent of the ‘Common /Sense Revolution’ years.

This is their chance to get what hey want.

It’s a test for 2019 federal election. All they need is 33% of the vote to win Parliament.

On this site, I’ve written many times: the Liberals and the Conservative do NOT want any form of Proportional Representation. They are happy with the FPP.

Trudeau has stated that.

You need to convince as many Liberal supporters as possible to vote NDP. Any votes for the Greens are going to be Liberal voters.

For the next 8 months, concentrate your efforts and words on only that effort. Otherwise, you are ‘spinning your wheels’.

John Cooper

Waterloo

From: fvc-wat-disc <fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org> On Behalf Of gordon.n gordon.n
Sent: September-15-18 3:15 PM
To: Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com>; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>; jenn <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you all see, and share, this one!

Hello Myron & other folks on this network

Yes your understanding of MPP is the same as mine.

And what a super idea to turn the Toronto election into a MPP system - I suspect Ford would have a mini stroke !!

There are two important questions though that would need to be addressed if this were to work in Toronto

1. Would Ford allow the city to introduce a top up mechanism for an additional number of seats (say anywhere from 10 to 20)?

2. If the city went ahead with this top up would the eligible candidates be selected from the candidates who ran in the election and lost or would there be some magic list prepared by say the Mayor's office?

In the submission I made to the ERRE commission I tried to make it clear that the candidates for the top up seats must not be appointed by the party hierarchy. Instead the list should be created from the best of those candidates who ran in the election and did not win their seat.

Gordon Nicholls

Kitchener

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From: Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com <mailto:2mdsteinm at gmail.com> > 
Date: September 15, 2018 at 8:55 PM 

Some thoughts: 

Of course, the most efficient government is a benevolent dictator. Then again what did Winston S Churchhill once say about democracy? " 

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

What may be the unintended consequences of the Honorable Doug Ford decision to reduce the number of City Counselors: Preparing the way for a mixed form of Proportional Representation in Toronto 
1. Mr Ford has cut the number in TO basically in half. 
2. Mr Ford has created Wards that represent the Provincial and Federal electoral districts. 
3. Instead of returning to the past Ward boundaries Toronto citizens could elect an additional 20 something counselors by percentage of popular vote. 
4 . From my understanding that is the essence of a Mixed form of Proportional Representation: That is we have individuals elected by getting the most votes in a geographical district, and we have individuals elected by who gets the most votes in the whole of (in this situation Toronto)
Am I naive?. 

Myron Daniel Steinman 

City of Kitchener 

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Jennifer Ross < 2jennross at gmail.com <mailto:2jennross at gmail.com> > wrote: 

https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695 

This issue might be our tipping point :) 

Jenn

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No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister. 

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