[fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you all see, and share, this one!

Mary Jackes mkj at bell.net
Sat Sep 15 16:26:28 EDT 2018 

Check out today's Star, too. Pretty much saying the same thing (not in 
so many words).

Mary.


On 2018-09-15 3:44 PM, John Cooper wrote:
>
> You folks don’t understand what Ford and his acolytes are intending to 
> – and will - do.
>
> He will not accept any changes to his plan or legislation. This 
> weekend he’s passing legislation to limit debate or remove it 
> completely. He’s a dictator.
>
> If necessary he will fight in the courts until he wins because he is 
> so obsessed with controlling the City and imposing his ideas on the 
> council.
>
> If he can find or make a law to allow him to appoint all of the 
> councillors and Mayor, he will.
>
> If the election does not proceed as he demands, because the City Clerk 
> says there is insufficient time to hold a fair election etc, he will 
> take full control of all city operations. And the Cons have the people 
> to do it.
>
> They have been working on this since they won the election – if not 
> before. Really, you have no idea how this guy thinks.
>
> If necessary, he will suspend the Legislature, and pass legislation 
> through the Cabinet.
>
> (One might think that at some point the Lt Gov might ‘step in’ and 
> refuse to sign Bills. That would create a constitutional crises!)
>
> This yahoo has the support of his caucus, Mike Harris, Federal 
> Conservatives, and all of the lunatic neo-cons.
>
> The names of the present legislation are reminiscent of the ‘Common 
> /Sense Revolution’ years.
>
> This is their chance to get what hey want.
>
> It’s a test for 2019 federal election. All they need is 33% of the 
> vote to win Parliament.
>
> On this site, I’ve written many times: the Liberals and the 
> Conservative do NOT want any form of Proportional Representation. They 
> are happy with the FPP.
>
> Trudeau has stated that.
>
> You need to convince as many Liberal supporters as possible to vote 
> NDP. Any votes for the Greens are going to be Liberal voters.
>
> For the next 8 months, concentrate your efforts and words on only that 
> effort. Otherwise, you are ‘spinning your wheels’.
>
> John Cooper
>
> Waterloo
>
> *From:*fvc-wat-disc <fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org> *On 
> Behalf Of *gordon.n gordon.n
> *Sent:* September-15-18 3:15 PM
> *To:* Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com>; FVC Waterloo Region 
> Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>; jenn 
> <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you all see, and share, 
> this one!
>
> Hello Myron & other folks on this network
>
> Yes your understanding of MPP is the same as mine.
>
> And what a super idea to turn the Toronto election into a MPP system - 
> I suspect Ford would have a mini stroke !!
>
> There are two important questions though that would need to be 
> addressed if this were to work in Toronto
>
> 1. Would Ford allow the city to introduce a top up mechanism for an 
> additional number of seats (say anywhere from 10 to 20)?
>
> 2. If the city went ahead with this top up would the eligible 
> candidates be selected from the candidates who ran in the election and 
> lost or would there be some magic list prepared by say the Mayor's office?
>
> In the submission I made to the ERRE commission I tried to make it 
> clear that the candidates for the top up seats must not be appointed 
> by the party hierarchy. Instead the list should be created from the 
> best of those candidates who ran in the election and did not win their 
> seat.
>
> Gordon Nicholls
>
> Kitchener
>
>     ---------- Original Message ----------
>     From: Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com
>     <mailto:2mdsteinm at gmail.com>>
>     Date: September 15, 2018 at 8:55 PM
>
>     Some thoughts:
>
>     Of course, the most efficient government is a benevolent dictator.
>     Then again what did Winston S Churchhill once say about democracy? "
>
>
>       “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the
>       others.”
>
>     What may be the unintended consequences of the Honorable Doug Ford
>     decision to reduce the number of City Counselors: Preparing the
>     way for a mixed form of Proportional Representation in Toronto
>     1. Mr Ford has cut the number in TO basically in half.
>     2. Mr Ford has created Wards that represent the Provincial and
>     Federal electoral districts.
>     3. Instead of returning to the past Ward boundaries Toronto
>     citizens could elect an additional 20 something counselors by
>     percentage of popular vote.
>     4. From my understanding that is the essence of a Mixed form of
>     Proportional Representation: That is we have individuals elected
>     by getting the most votes in a geographical district, and we have
>     individuals elected by who gets the most votes in the whole of (in
>     this situation Toronto)
>     Am I naive?.
>
>     Myron Daniel Steinman
>
>     City of Kitchener
>
>     On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Jennifer Ross <
>     2jennross at gmail.com <mailto:2jennross at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695
>
>
>
>         This issue might be our tipping point :)
>
>
>
>         Jenn
>
>         Bookkeeping Services
>
>         519-501-2736
>
>         No other Western democratic country concentrates as much
>         political power in the hands of one person as Canada does with
>         her Prime Minister.
>
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